Back when I first got a cellphone and slowly started forgetting phone numbers I remember thinking "OK that is scary, it really didn't take long for me to forget something that used to be second nature for me"

[failedlyndonlarouchite@mas.to]

@tykling

[ circa 1,000 BC ]
back when I got a stylus and papyrus, I slowly started forgetting how to memorize things

etc etc x1,000

There is a British philosopher, G Moore, iirc, who said something like

Progess is letting us forget things

and that is one of those simple statements that is truly profound

[kneoghau@mastodon.social]

@tykling as someone old enough to remember the "corded family phone" with no quick dial features, I'm still able to call everyone I need to, and store details of (nearly infinite) contacts I might want/need to reconnect with some day. It's just easier 99.9% of the time. This is post is also about vibe coding.

[toldtheworld@mastodon.social]

@tykling I used my partner's number as the unlock code for a tablet my children used for entertainment, so they would memorize it. It worked anyway, this is applicable to any skill: create opportunities to use it. Also, people used to recall entire epics with minimal fidelity loss before there was writing, I hear, so they would find our ability to recall a few numbers rather unimpressive.

[kalleboo@bitbang.social]

@tykling I remember my childhood home phone number and my first mobile number in 2003 but I don’t know my wife of 10 years phone number

[argv_minus_one@mastodon.sdf.org]

@sophie_talks

Refreshing an existing but faded memory or skill is faster than learning a new one, yes.

For example, I recently played a video game I hadn't played in over a decade, which has very unusual and difficult controls. I was rusty at first, but my old skills came rushing back pretty fast. It took me far longer to learn the game as a kid than to recall it as an adult.

Unfortunately it's also very hard on my elbows now. Adult bodies are so fragile!

@tykling

[argv_minus_one@mastodon.sdf.org]

@tykling

Part of the problem is that modern phones don't even *display* phone numbers any more.

Like, I would remember a phone number just by seeing it regularly, even if I don't have to type it in. But I don't even see it regularly.

[ifnotnow@mastodon.social]

@tykling
this post is about the inevitable consequences of not doing the work... convenience culture is toxic at such a low level no one realizes its very profound effects on a body of knowledge few people (even those doing it) give the time of day to: implementing in the real world. Doing real world things--laying brick, building a bookcase, installing a deadbolt, fixing the plumbing-- teaches a body of knowledge largely inaccessible to people who think knowledge is stuff in books

[argv_minus_one@mastodon.sdf.org]

@harib_murshidi

Are you an actual sleuth now?

@tykling

[argv_minus_one@mastodon.sdf.org]

@marinheiro

People were doing division in their heads? Wow. That's hard.

It's hard for computers too, by the way. Division takes much longer than most other instructions, and when a program says to do division, optimizing compilers will substitute a different operation when possible. A division by 2, for example, can be done faster by just shifting the bits, much like division by 10 in decimal is faster.

@tykling

[marinheiro@ciberlandia.pt]

@patterfloof @tykling That is something I notice, that a quick estimate in your head is often enough, and if it isn't its still enough to check you didn't do anything silly with the calculator...,

[number6@fosstodon.org]

@tykling

You probably also don't know how to make fire with rocks or make rope from tree bark. Or how to saddle a horse.

While you were forgetting phone numbers, you were probably also learning websites, email addresses, and passwords.

Socrates thought that reading would lead to the erosion of memorization.

Did it? Maybe. But things not committed to writing have been lost to the mists of time.

We lose old skills so that we can hone new ones.

[marinheiro@ciberlandia.pt]

@argv_minus_one @tykling I'm not talking about two long multidigit numbers like Ramanujan or anything. Smaller divisions are just reversing times table, slightly longer divisions visualise writing the steps on a piece of paper. Converting to binary first would be a step too far (although thats just division too..)

[harib_murshidi@mastodon.social]

@argv_minus_one @tykling No, but I have been hunted by a few govt ones (it's not all paranoia)

[mathew@universeodon.com]

@tykling I went about 9 months without doing any collaborative software development using Git, and when I returned to it I found myself flailing around hopelessly.

[kr3st3n@infosec.exchange]

@tykling A bit off the topic of AI: Practise your emergency contacts’ phone number. One day, your life may depend on it.

Short story: My wife got a lorry driver whose lorry sat on top of her to call me from his phone. Worst call ever. But I’m grateful for getting to her before she got taken to the hospital. At the time I didn’t know if she’d survive (thankfully, she did). ️

[unfefe@piaille.fr]

@tykling Born in 2001 here
First phone I got was a smartphone in ~2014.
The only phone numbers I ever remembered are the family home’s nulber and my own.

At some point I freaked out and started noting a bunch of contacts in a physical notepad. I haven’t updated it in a while now

EDIT: did not read the last sentence. yeah.

[wonka@chaos.social]

One of the few numbers I remember actually is my own mobile number - from all the times I had to enter it or write it down somewhere.

@henstridge @beach @tykling

[bonkers@nerdculture.de]

@tykling I remember my own and my wife's mobiles. But not my kids'.

[raft2551@techhub.social]

@tykling
This the hack of using a sharpie to write emergency phone numbers on your body.