Will anybody tell Linux Kernel, XFCE, TDE, and the other slop-slingers?
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@ell1e @downey @davidgerard the GTK contribution guide bans AI slop, and requires disclosure. We do not encourage LLM use, and we are extra careful on submissions aided by LLMs. We don’t ban them outright, that’s true; that was the compromise position. Now that it’s out, I’d probably push for something like the Rust LLM rules.
@ell1e @downey @davidgerard and yes: GNOME has not adopted a blanket LLM policy because it currently lacks the mechanism for that kind of project-wide decisions. It’ll likely be a good test of the RFC process we are adopting.
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@downey describing writing tests as a "particularly annoying task" tells you everything you need to know about the anonymous correspondent. They never had any interest in producing a quality result, but just in getting something out the door in the least inconvenient way. No wonder they fell hard for the lure of the slopmonster.
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@ChristosArgyrop @downey I have no desire to replace swig with a non-deterministic alternative that consumes orders of magnitude more resources to produce an inferior result.
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They would probably give some snarky comment about how you should stay in your lane before ignoring the data…
@cyberquixote @downey Ha! exactly!
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@ChristosArgyrop @downey I have no desire to replace swig with a non-deterministic alternative that consumes orders of magnitude more resources to produce an inferior result.
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@kp @janeishly @downey You are not crazy and you are not alone.
@phaedral @kp @janeishly @downey There is a faction in Silicon Valley, which might even be termed a sect (giving rise to the other "sects") who are notorious for asserting that epistemological expansionism ("We do it because we can") is desirable, as is accelerationism. But to some, this is immanentizing the Eschaton ("bringing about the end of the world"). It's partly what Neil Postman was driving at: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Technopoly @kimcrawley @davidgerard @zzt @tante @tforcworc
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Can this Community please stop Ad-Hominem?
Worse than the code chaos nowadays is the attitude.
If you have to use terms like „slop-slingers“ then this is a problem.
„Pyschological stability“ is one of the most important rules in Software teams.
The language and tone has changed in the #FOSS community. And this attitude I hate even more than chaotic code.
Because chaotic code can be eventually cleaned up.
But a fucked up community mentality is lost forever.
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@janeishly @downey I don't get it. First the slop machines came for writing, and everyone went “This writing is shit!”.
Then they came for art, and everyone went "This art is shit!”.Now they're "creating" software, and somehow I'm the crazy one for saying that maybe we shouldn’t.
@kp @janeishly @downey
I'm not to happy about them creating virusses as well.
And of course, when I say 'not to happy' what I actually mean is:
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@jackpearse @downey i keep saying, public shaming *works*
Yes it works. That's exactly is how the ipen source community is losing former developers. I find the way people are talking in the FOSS community right now disgusting.
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Yes it works. That's exactly is how the ipen source community is losing former developers. I find the way people are talking in the FOSS community right now disgusting.
@jackpearse @downey these are sloppers LARPing as developers
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@jackpearse if you don't care to actually write your code then what are you even doing here
Incare abeout the code itsef. And it’s quality.
Have you ever seen ugly code written by humans? I have seen it. A lot! And worse than some LLM Output.
I am doing development since 30 years now. And we were managing people and bad code.
And people, who are children to me, want to tell people how to work?
If Slop is a problem, then detecting Slop contributions does not work. And Slop also comes from human devs.
The fish stinks from the head down.
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@jackpearse if you don't care to actually write your code then what are you even doing here
How long are you developing? Hoe dare you to do gatekeeping?
What the fuck is this?
This „thing“ what you call Slop has started worh pyrhon and Web Junk development. This is not about Computers building Junk. The whole Community is on the way to become unbearable.
The whole debate became religious. And instead of focussing on the quality management people poison the mood in the community.
And objective discussions on pull requests have become impossible.
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