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  3. If you live outside of the United States,do you know if your country has a plan if the US government decided to cut access to Google, Microsoft, and Amazon products overnight?

If you live outside of the United States,do you know if your country has a plan if the US government decided to cut access to Google, Microsoft, and Amazon products overnight?

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  • em0nm4stodon@infosec.exchangeE This user is from outside of this forum
    em0nm4stodon@infosec.exchangeE This user is from outside of this forum
    em0nm4stodon@infosec.exchange
    wrote sidst redigeret af
    #1

    If you live outside of the United States,
    do you know if your country has a plan if the US government decided to cut access to Google, Microsoft, and Amazon products overnight?

    What would happen to your work?

    What would happen to your hospitals?

    What would happen to your emergency services?

    What would happen to your banks?

    Imagine overnight, for all those public services and private businesses, no more Windows, no more AWS, no more Google and Microsoft office software, no more remote files storage, no more emails, no more online maps, no more videochats.

    What would happen?
    Is your country prepared?

    #DataSovereignty

    ambientspace@cloudisland.nzA lawyersgunsnmoney@mstdn.socialL onlineadviser@c.imO khleedril@cyberplace.socialK clouderst@abc.clouderst.xyzC 107 Replies Last reply
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    • em0nm4stodon@infosec.exchangeE em0nm4stodon@infosec.exchange

      If you live outside of the United States,
      do you know if your country has a plan if the US government decided to cut access to Google, Microsoft, and Amazon products overnight?

      What would happen to your work?

      What would happen to your hospitals?

      What would happen to your emergency services?

      What would happen to your banks?

      Imagine overnight, for all those public services and private businesses, no more Windows, no more AWS, no more Google and Microsoft office software, no more remote files storage, no more emails, no more online maps, no more videochats.

      What would happen?
      Is your country prepared?

      #DataSovereignty

      ambientspace@cloudisland.nzA This user is from outside of this forum
      ambientspace@cloudisland.nzA This user is from outside of this forum
      ambientspace@cloudisland.nz
      wrote sidst redigeret af
      #2

      @Em0nM4stodon it would complicate things greatly for Google and AWS access to be cut off.

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      • em0nm4stodon@infosec.exchangeE em0nm4stodon@infosec.exchange

        If you live outside of the United States,
        do you know if your country has a plan if the US government decided to cut access to Google, Microsoft, and Amazon products overnight?

        What would happen to your work?

        What would happen to your hospitals?

        What would happen to your emergency services?

        What would happen to your banks?

        Imagine overnight, for all those public services and private businesses, no more Windows, no more AWS, no more Google and Microsoft office software, no more remote files storage, no more emails, no more online maps, no more videochats.

        What would happen?
        Is your country prepared?

        #DataSovereignty

        lawyersgunsnmoney@mstdn.socialL This user is from outside of this forum
        lawyersgunsnmoney@mstdn.socialL This user is from outside of this forum
        lawyersgunsnmoney@mstdn.social
        wrote sidst redigeret af
        #3

        @Em0nM4stodon You’ve posed a great question, which prompts another one: what if they did it here in the US as well? Makes me think again about buying that manual typewriter 😉

        em0nm4stodon@infosec.exchangeE lukefromdc@kolektiva.socialL 2 Replies Last reply
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        • em0nm4stodon@infosec.exchangeE em0nm4stodon@infosec.exchange

          If you live outside of the United States,
          do you know if your country has a plan if the US government decided to cut access to Google, Microsoft, and Amazon products overnight?

          What would happen to your work?

          What would happen to your hospitals?

          What would happen to your emergency services?

          What would happen to your banks?

          Imagine overnight, for all those public services and private businesses, no more Windows, no more AWS, no more Google and Microsoft office software, no more remote files storage, no more emails, no more online maps, no more videochats.

          What would happen?
          Is your country prepared?

          #DataSovereignty

          onlineadviser@c.imO This user is from outside of this forum
          onlineadviser@c.imO This user is from outside of this forum
          onlineadviser@c.im
          wrote sidst redigeret af
          #4

          @Em0nM4stodon What about us inside the U.S.? Seems just about as possible here. Regime change, insurrection act, etc. Personally I would not be affected too much. Rural areas like mine barely have internet and I don’t often need city services. Cash or barter economy is commonplace.

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          • onlineadviser@c.imO onlineadviser@c.im

            @Em0nM4stodon What about us inside the U.S.? Seems just about as possible here. Regime change, insurrection act, etc. Personally I would not be affected too much. Rural areas like mine barely have internet and I don’t often need city services. Cash or barter economy is commonplace.

            em0nm4stodon@infosec.exchangeE This user is from outside of this forum
            em0nm4stodon@infosec.exchangeE This user is from outside of this forum
            em0nm4stodon@infosec.exchange
            wrote sidst redigeret af
            #5

            @Onlineadviser Indeed, indeed.

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            • lawyersgunsnmoney@mstdn.socialL lawyersgunsnmoney@mstdn.social

              @Em0nM4stodon You’ve posed a great question, which prompts another one: what if they did it here in the US as well? Makes me think again about buying that manual typewriter 😉

              em0nm4stodon@infosec.exchangeE This user is from outside of this forum
              em0nm4stodon@infosec.exchangeE This user is from outside of this forum
              em0nm4stodon@infosec.exchange
              wrote sidst redigeret af
              #6

              @lawyersgunsnmoney

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              • em0nm4stodon@infosec.exchangeE em0nm4stodon@infosec.exchange

                If you live outside of the United States,
                do you know if your country has a plan if the US government decided to cut access to Google, Microsoft, and Amazon products overnight?

                What would happen to your work?

                What would happen to your hospitals?

                What would happen to your emergency services?

                What would happen to your banks?

                Imagine overnight, for all those public services and private businesses, no more Windows, no more AWS, no more Google and Microsoft office software, no more remote files storage, no more emails, no more online maps, no more videochats.

                What would happen?
                Is your country prepared?

                #DataSovereignty

                khleedril@cyberplace.socialK This user is from outside of this forum
                khleedril@cyberplace.socialK This user is from outside of this forum
                khleedril@cyberplace.social
                wrote sidst redigeret af
                #7

                @Em0nM4stodon Nobody in the US is that stupid, right? Right?

                estibensito_@mastodon.socialE drwho@masto.hackers.townD 2 Replies Last reply
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                • em0nm4stodon@infosec.exchangeE em0nm4stodon@infosec.exchange

                  If you live outside of the United States,
                  do you know if your country has a plan if the US government decided to cut access to Google, Microsoft, and Amazon products overnight?

                  What would happen to your work?

                  What would happen to your hospitals?

                  What would happen to your emergency services?

                  What would happen to your banks?

                  Imagine overnight, for all those public services and private businesses, no more Windows, no more AWS, no more Google and Microsoft office software, no more remote files storage, no more emails, no more online maps, no more videochats.

                  What would happen?
                  Is your country prepared?

                  #DataSovereignty

                  clouderst@abc.clouderst.xyzC This user is from outside of this forum
                  clouderst@abc.clouderst.xyzC This user is from outside of this forum
                  clouderst@abc.clouderst.xyz
                  wrote sidst redigeret af
                  #8

                  @Em0nM4stodon we would be cooked and deep fried 😄 as we have no independent infrastructure and services

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                  • em0nm4stodon@infosec.exchangeE em0nm4stodon@infosec.exchange

                    If you live outside of the United States,
                    do you know if your country has a plan if the US government decided to cut access to Google, Microsoft, and Amazon products overnight?

                    What would happen to your work?

                    What would happen to your hospitals?

                    What would happen to your emergency services?

                    What would happen to your banks?

                    Imagine overnight, for all those public services and private businesses, no more Windows, no more AWS, no more Google and Microsoft office software, no more remote files storage, no more emails, no more online maps, no more videochats.

                    What would happen?
                    Is your country prepared?

                    #DataSovereignty

                    gael_rostang@mastodon.socialG This user is from outside of this forum
                    gael_rostang@mastodon.socialG This user is from outside of this forum
                    gael_rostang@mastodon.social
                    wrote sidst redigeret af
                    #9

                    @Em0nM4stodon As a french, the entirety of our private data has been exfiltrated through months of 'hacks' targeting public services. If our country shuts down, we can always buy everything back since all has been rehosted some place else.
                    I'm surprised hackers have never asked for hosting fees, since their security and redundancy is certainly better than ours.

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                    • em0nm4stodon@infosec.exchangeE em0nm4stodon@infosec.exchange

                      If you live outside of the United States,
                      do you know if your country has a plan if the US government decided to cut access to Google, Microsoft, and Amazon products overnight?

                      What would happen to your work?

                      What would happen to your hospitals?

                      What would happen to your emergency services?

                      What would happen to your banks?

                      Imagine overnight, for all those public services and private businesses, no more Windows, no more AWS, no more Google and Microsoft office software, no more remote files storage, no more emails, no more online maps, no more videochats.

                      What would happen?
                      Is your country prepared?

                      #DataSovereignty

                      subm3rge@infosec.exchangeS This user is from outside of this forum
                      subm3rge@infosec.exchangeS This user is from outside of this forum
                      subm3rge@infosec.exchange
                      wrote sidst redigeret af
                      #10

                      @Em0nM4stodon Yes we are talking about it, #sovereignty is a major part of ongoing preparedness work, for when the [r]us leader shows their true colors.

                      One issue, which is the same issue #security folks has always had, is that so many people in [commercial] leadership simply Do Not Care since they think they will just swap jobs if TSHTF. They don't really think in terms of global outages or impacts.

                      The most annoying part is that those same clueless folks will turn to us when it happens, either helpless or accusing.

                      No fair.

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                      • em0nm4stodon@infosec.exchangeE em0nm4stodon@infosec.exchange

                        If you live outside of the United States,
                        do you know if your country has a plan if the US government decided to cut access to Google, Microsoft, and Amazon products overnight?

                        What would happen to your work?

                        What would happen to your hospitals?

                        What would happen to your emergency services?

                        What would happen to your banks?

                        Imagine overnight, for all those public services and private businesses, no more Windows, no more AWS, no more Google and Microsoft office software, no more remote files storage, no more emails, no more online maps, no more videochats.

                        What would happen?
                        Is your country prepared?

                        #DataSovereignty

                        torf@c.imT This user is from outside of this forum
                        torf@c.imT This user is from outside of this forum
                        torf@c.im
                        wrote sidst redigeret af
                        #11

                        @Em0nM4stodon I am pretty sure it is not prepared, and things will go medieval in a moment. 😟

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                        • em0nm4stodon@infosec.exchangeE em0nm4stodon@infosec.exchange

                          If you live outside of the United States,
                          do you know if your country has a plan if the US government decided to cut access to Google, Microsoft, and Amazon products overnight?

                          What would happen to your work?

                          What would happen to your hospitals?

                          What would happen to your emergency services?

                          What would happen to your banks?

                          Imagine overnight, for all those public services and private businesses, no more Windows, no more AWS, no more Google and Microsoft office software, no more remote files storage, no more emails, no more online maps, no more videochats.

                          What would happen?
                          Is your country prepared?

                          #DataSovereignty

                          lina@tech.lgbtL This user is from outside of this forum
                          lina@tech.lgbtL This user is from outside of this forum
                          lina@tech.lgbt
                          wrote sidst redigeret af
                          #12

                          @Em0nM4stodon oh dw the country runs on almost exclusively pirated copies of windows and ms office, the us govt won't be able to do anything about that /hj

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                          • em0nm4stodon@infosec.exchangeE em0nm4stodon@infosec.exchange

                            If you live outside of the United States,
                            do you know if your country has a plan if the US government decided to cut access to Google, Microsoft, and Amazon products overnight?

                            What would happen to your work?

                            What would happen to your hospitals?

                            What would happen to your emergency services?

                            What would happen to your banks?

                            Imagine overnight, for all those public services and private businesses, no more Windows, no more AWS, no more Google and Microsoft office software, no more remote files storage, no more emails, no more online maps, no more videochats.

                            What would happen?
                            Is your country prepared?

                            #DataSovereignty

                            B This user is from outside of this forum
                            B This user is from outside of this forum
                            barbra@social.vivaldi.net
                            wrote sidst redigeret af
                            #13

                            @Em0nM4stodon

                            Degoogled my life years ago.

                            The only Microsoft product I use is Flight SIM 2020, which can also work in offline mode.

                            Windows 10, hasn't had updates in almost a year, it's stable. No OneDrive, no Spotlight, no updates that screw things up on a weekly basis.

                            My other computer will be moved to BSD because Linux updates crap the bed, and no distro properly supports dual GPUs any more (they did - with some command-line magic, 15 years ago, but not any more). Makes sense since Red Hat is owned by IBM.

                            Other things - keep a year's supply of some essential nonperishable food on hand, keep a decent amount of cash on hand, keep a physical chequing account at a local bank and a supply of physical cheques. Because right of now the US is not above attacking Canada's banking and internet systems.

                            blotosmetek@circumstances.runB 1 Reply Last reply
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                            • em0nm4stodon@infosec.exchangeE em0nm4stodon@infosec.exchange

                              If you live outside of the United States,
                              do you know if your country has a plan if the US government decided to cut access to Google, Microsoft, and Amazon products overnight?

                              What would happen to your work?

                              What would happen to your hospitals?

                              What would happen to your emergency services?

                              What would happen to your banks?

                              Imagine overnight, for all those public services and private businesses, no more Windows, no more AWS, no more Google and Microsoft office software, no more remote files storage, no more emails, no more online maps, no more videochats.

                              What would happen?
                              Is your country prepared?

                              #DataSovereignty

                              bert_hubert@mastodon.nlB This user is from outside of this forum
                              bert_hubert@mastodon.nlB This user is from outside of this forum
                              bert_hubert@mastodon.nl
                              wrote sidst redigeret af
                              #14

                              @Em0nM4stodon Indeed - https://berthub.eu/articles/posts/you-can-no-longer-base-your-government-and-society-on-us-clouds/ discusses this at length. And yet...

                              fazalmajid@social.vivaldi.netF 1 Reply Last reply
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                              • em0nm4stodon@infosec.exchangeE em0nm4stodon@infosec.exchange

                                If you live outside of the United States,
                                do you know if your country has a plan if the US government decided to cut access to Google, Microsoft, and Amazon products overnight?

                                What would happen to your work?

                                What would happen to your hospitals?

                                What would happen to your emergency services?

                                What would happen to your banks?

                                Imagine overnight, for all those public services and private businesses, no more Windows, no more AWS, no more Google and Microsoft office software, no more remote files storage, no more emails, no more online maps, no more videochats.

                                What would happen?
                                Is your country prepared?

                                #DataSovereignty

                                stefan@stefankoopmanschap.nlS This user is from outside of this forum
                                stefan@stefankoopmanschap.nlS This user is from outside of this forum
                                stefan@stefankoopmanschap.nl
                                wrote sidst redigeret af
                                #15

                                @Em0nM4stodon nope. my country is not prepared. I have almost finalized moving all my stuff away from US or US-hosted services, but I still rely on banks, government, etc that all are completely reliant on the US. There's still government agencies that are migrating _towards_ Azure at the moment...

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                                • em0nm4stodon@infosec.exchangeE em0nm4stodon@infosec.exchange

                                  If you live outside of the United States,
                                  do you know if your country has a plan if the US government decided to cut access to Google, Microsoft, and Amazon products overnight?

                                  What would happen to your work?

                                  What would happen to your hospitals?

                                  What would happen to your emergency services?

                                  What would happen to your banks?

                                  Imagine overnight, for all those public services and private businesses, no more Windows, no more AWS, no more Google and Microsoft office software, no more remote files storage, no more emails, no more online maps, no more videochats.

                                  What would happen?
                                  Is your country prepared?

                                  #DataSovereignty

                                  bubblegumyeti@mastodon.socialB This user is from outside of this forum
                                  bubblegumyeti@mastodon.socialB This user is from outside of this forum
                                  bubblegumyeti@mastodon.social
                                  wrote sidst redigeret af
                                  #16

                                  @Em0nM4stodon i am pretty ok tbh, almost everything is stored in EU

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                                  • B barbra@social.vivaldi.net

                                    @Em0nM4stodon

                                    Degoogled my life years ago.

                                    The only Microsoft product I use is Flight SIM 2020, which can also work in offline mode.

                                    Windows 10, hasn't had updates in almost a year, it's stable. No OneDrive, no Spotlight, no updates that screw things up on a weekly basis.

                                    My other computer will be moved to BSD because Linux updates crap the bed, and no distro properly supports dual GPUs any more (they did - with some command-line magic, 15 years ago, but not any more). Makes sense since Red Hat is owned by IBM.

                                    Other things - keep a year's supply of some essential nonperishable food on hand, keep a decent amount of cash on hand, keep a physical chequing account at a local bank and a supply of physical cheques. Because right of now the US is not above attacking Canada's banking and internet systems.

                                    blotosmetek@circumstances.runB This user is from outside of this forum
                                    blotosmetek@circumstances.runB This user is from outside of this forum
                                    blotosmetek@circumstances.run
                                    wrote sidst redigeret af
                                    #17

                                    @barbra @Em0nM4stodon So, Windows 10 is not a Microsoft product?

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                                    • blotosmetek@circumstances.runB blotosmetek@circumstances.run

                                      @barbra @Em0nM4stodon So, Windows 10 is not a Microsoft product?

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                                      barbra@social.vivaldi.net
                                      wrote sidst redigeret af
                                      #18

                                      @blotosmetek @Em0nM4stodon

                                      No longer under Microsoft control, so no. All of us who refused the poison-pull offer of a year's free extended support are now independent of Microsoft. They can't cut off our support since we already cut the cord.

                                      So no worry about a malicious update that "accidentally" breaks things.

                                      Besides, moving to X-Plane when I have the time. Runs on many different systems.

                                      Additional little known fact - Canadian copyright law allows for ignoring copyright when a product goes out of support and breaks. Other countries have similar rules - just not the US.

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                                      • em0nm4stodon@infosec.exchangeE em0nm4stodon@infosec.exchange

                                        If you live outside of the United States,
                                        do you know if your country has a plan if the US government decided to cut access to Google, Microsoft, and Amazon products overnight?

                                        What would happen to your work?

                                        What would happen to your hospitals?

                                        What would happen to your emergency services?

                                        What would happen to your banks?

                                        Imagine overnight, for all those public services and private businesses, no more Windows, no more AWS, no more Google and Microsoft office software, no more remote files storage, no more emails, no more online maps, no more videochats.

                                        What would happen?
                                        Is your country prepared?

                                        #DataSovereignty

                                        darcmoughty@infosec.exchangeD This user is from outside of this forum
                                        darcmoughty@infosec.exchangeD This user is from outside of this forum
                                        darcmoughty@infosec.exchange
                                        wrote sidst redigeret af
                                        #19

                                        @Em0nM4stodon Same if you're a company/organization in the USA that might get accused of something like 'harboring terrorists'.

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                                        • bert_hubert@mastodon.nlB bert_hubert@mastodon.nl

                                          @Em0nM4stodon Indeed - https://berthub.eu/articles/posts/you-can-no-longer-base-your-government-and-society-on-us-clouds/ discusses this at length. And yet...

                                          fazalmajid@social.vivaldi.netF This user is from outside of this forum
                                          fazalmajid@social.vivaldi.netF This user is from outside of this forum
                                          fazalmajid@social.vivaldi.net
                                          wrote sidst redigeret af
                                          #20

                                          @bert_hubert @Em0nM4stodon it was never safe to begin with. Trump is doing us a favor by making this impossible to ignore, just as he has inadvertently become the greatest salesman for EVs.

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