Mozilla has 1.4 BILLION dollars that they are spending on some AI bullshit.
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Vivaldi is neat. And the promised not to put any AI in their Browser.
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@jwz My read is that Google—Mozilla's main funding source these days—have *ordered* them to spend money on AI (meanwhile supplying the money to do so). No mainstream browser may remain uncompromised by the grift. amirite?
@cstross @jwz I'm not so sure it's that. Mozilla view The Goog as a liability, and want to diversify revenue away from the disastrously single-sourced search royalties. They have concluded that the best way to do so is pursuing AI, while under the guise of "liberating" AI from corporate control. The latter is of course a joke, since uhhhh where exactly do those foundation models come from, even the "open" ones?
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Mozilla has 1.4 BILLION dollars that they are spending on some AI bullshit.
That's billion with a B. So if you held out hope that filling out surveys or shitposting through it might turn this ship around, no. That much money has an event horizon.
Mozilla is cooked.
@jwz out of curiosity, what is a good, trustworthy, no nonsense upstart web browser these days?
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Mozilla has 1.4 BILLION dollars that they are spending on some AI bullshit.
That's billion with a B. So if you held out hope that filling out surveys or shitposting through it might turn this ship around, no. That much money has an event horizon.
Mozilla is cooked.
@jwz
that's like 10-15 F-35 fighter jets, or 1/20th of one block of a nuclear powerplant -
Mozilla has 1.4 BILLION dollars that they are spending on some AI bullshit.
That's billion with a B. So if you held out hope that filling out surveys or shitposting through it might turn this ship around, no. That much money has an event horizon.
Mozilla is cooked.
@jwz As much as I dislike the Chromium hegemony, I've since switched to Vivaldi because of Mozilla's tone deaf approach to enabling this AI shit storm bubble.
There are some amazing Firefox forks, but how much hope can we really have for them if Mozilla is handling their financial setup this poorly?
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Vivaldi is neat. And the promised not to put any AI in their Browser.
@czauner @csstrowbridge Same goes for @zenbrowser, which is Firefox based.
I haven’t used it much, but I think I will take a closer look in the near future. -
Mozilla has 1.4 BILLION dollars that they are spending on some AI bullshit.
That's billion with a B. So if you held out hope that filling out surveys or shitposting through it might turn this ship around, no. That much money has an event horizon.
Mozilla is cooked.
@jwz Jesus. Makes me feel better about moving to Waterfox/Librewolf, as they at least strip out the crap Mozilla throws in. Upstream is still always a worry, but at least there's an emergency hatch for the moment.
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Mozilla has 1.4 BILLION dollars that they are spending on some AI bullshit.
That's billion with a B. So if you held out hope that filling out surveys or shitposting through it might turn this ship around, no. That much money has an event horizon.
Mozilla is cooked.
@jwz What is with their Goatse logo?
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@jwz It feels like someone needs to pull a Firefox on the Mozilla Foundation like Firefox did on the original Mozilla browser when it had lost its way.
Take the core technology of Firefox & fork a non-AI browser that is focused on the web. That's what a large swath of people want. Then let the downloads do the talking.
Firefox "won" because a lot of people were using it. Web developers loved it.
Make a browser that people fall in love with because it works and is fast & reliable without AI.
@GreatBigTable
This is sort of happening with Servo, which started as a Mozilla project to improve rendering on Firefox before it got cut and ended up in thr hands of thr Linux Foundation: https://servo.org/
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Mozilla has 1.4 BILLION dollars that they are spending on some AI bullshit.
That's billion with a B. So if you held out hope that filling out surveys or shitposting through it might turn this ship around, no. That much money has an event horizon.
Mozilla is cooked.
@jwz why did you choose that image
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Mozilla has 1.4 BILLION dollars that they are spending on some AI bullshit.
That's billion with a B. So if you held out hope that filling out surveys or shitposting through it might turn this ship around, no. That much money has an event horizon.
Mozilla is cooked.
@jwz said it for year.
they trow money in AI, yet help of the security people i know won't use anything related to firefox, due to a lack of sandbox security, and of course of the chromisation of firefox (why use a cheap copy when you can use the original).
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@jwz As much as I dislike the Chromium hegemony, I've since switched to Vivaldi because of Mozilla's tone deaf approach to enabling this AI shit storm bubble.
There are some amazing Firefox forks, but how much hope can we really have for them if Mozilla is handling their financial setup this poorly?
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Mozilla has 1.4 BILLION dollars that they are spending on some AI bullshit.
That's billion with a B. So if you held out hope that filling out surveys or shitposting through it might turn this ship around, no. That much money has an event horizon.
Mozilla is cooked.
@jwz
I told them, I did. I said 'no more AI'. -
Mozilla has 1.4 BILLION dollars that they are spending on some AI bullshit.
That's billion with a B. So if you held out hope that filling out surveys or shitposting through it might turn this ship around, no. That much money has an event horizon.
Mozilla is cooked.
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Mozilla has 1.4 BILLION dollars that they are spending on some AI bullshit.
That's billion with a B. So if you held out hope that filling out surveys or shitposting through it might turn this ship around, no. That much money has an event horizon.
Mozilla is cooked.
@jwz That's about 1000 person years of development. So you could get a team of say, 10 people working full time for 100 years, or you could increase the team size up to 100 people working full time for 10 years. That's a lot of actual Firefox development they are throwing away.
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@jwz according to Mozilla they will spend $130 million on AI bullshit. The $1.4 billion number is their total reserves.
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@jwz out of curiosity, what is a good, trustworthy, no nonsense upstart web browser these days?
@GreatBigTable @jwz For *some* definition of "good" (but fully satisfying the other criteria), I guess we're all heading back to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erwise, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cello_(web_browser) or https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NCSA_Mosaic
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Mozilla has 1.4 BILLION dollars that they are spending on some AI bullshit.
That's billion with a B. So if you held out hope that filling out surveys or shitposting through it might turn this ship around, no. That much money has an event horizon.
Mozilla is cooked.
@jwz I honestly thought you might have been exaggerating, but then I clicked through to the article...and jesus effing christ, the whole board need to be launched into the sun.
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Mozilla has 1.4 BILLION dollars that they are spending on some AI bullshit.
That's billion with a B. So if you held out hope that filling out surveys or shitposting through it might turn this ship around, no. That much money has an event horizon.
Mozilla is cooked.
@jwz
They are not spending 1.4 billion on AI. This would be silly to spend all their money. But they will spend 20% of their annual budget on AI, roughly $120M. Still a lot of money. -
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Meanwhile the AI companies are burning the planet to build browsers from scratch as a benchmark.
https://cursor.com/blog/scaling-agentsThis is how we all lose.
