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  • futurebird@sauropods.winF futurebird@sauropods.win

    People are cheapskates with poor people but spendthrift with billionaires.

    I just listened to someone complaining about how "the garbage union" has schemed so that there are always two people operating NYC garbage trucks to "waste my tax dollars" and I guess making too many wealthy sanitation workers... oh no the horror.

    I like that there are two people on each truck. It's more efficient and safer. But, even if it was somehow a waste I promise you that's not who is wasting your money bud.

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    #104

    @futurebird

    There's this thing that happens where people are riled up by perceived injustice. Then this anger blinds them.

    Take benefit fraud. An absolute devil worshipper level evil according to the uk press. A frenzie of hate. Yet look at the consequences of a handful of people in your local town getting a few extra bob they "weren't supposed to"... your town has more people spending money.

    Compared to the profligate fraud of billionaires where our money disappears into tax havens.

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    • futurebird@sauropods.winF futurebird@sauropods.win

      How have so many people been trained to think like they are private equity managers who just want to cut every job, anything that makes middle class people exist?

      And this comment had a bunch of likes ... none of the people getting mad about this really are private equity managers. They won't get rich. But the sight of people with "cushy" (livable, decent) jobs just makes them mad?

      It's so depressing.

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      #105

      @futurebird I'm astonished how often I hear people complain about the laziness of people who are visibly working hard right in front of them.

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      • doctormo@floss.socialD doctormo@floss.social

        @futurebird

        There's this thing that happens where people are riled up by perceived injustice. Then this anger blinds them.

        Take benefit fraud. An absolute devil worshipper level evil according to the uk press. A frenzie of hate. Yet look at the consequences of a handful of people in your local town getting a few extra bob they "weren't supposed to"... your town has more people spending money.

        Compared to the profligate fraud of billionaires where our money disappears into tax havens.

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        #106

        @doctormo

        At some point I really wonder... if it's so "easy" to do those jobs or get "extra" benefits or be poor...

        My brother in christ, then, why oh why don't you just go and *live* that life? Go on! Take the advantages. I will not judge you for it. I want you to succeed. Have at it. What is stopping you?

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        • futurebird@sauropods.winF futurebird@sauropods.win

          People are cheapskates with poor people but spendthrift with billionaires.

          I just listened to someone complaining about how "the garbage union" has schemed so that there are always two people operating NYC garbage trucks to "waste my tax dollars" and I guess making too many wealthy sanitation workers... oh no the horror.

          I like that there are two people on each truck. It's more efficient and safer. But, even if it was somehow a waste I promise you that's not who is wasting your money bud.

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          #107

          @futurebird we only get one sanitation specialist for most trucks.

          Back in the day there would be three burly guys

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          • ericlawton@kolektiva.socialE ericlawton@kolektiva.social

            @futurebird

            I happened to be out on the road when our garbage truck came by.

            I said "hi" and he immediately concluded that I had gone over to complain about something.

            I said "no, I was just thinking about how tough your job is now, there used to be a driver and someone on the back picking up the garbage/recycling".

            They'd cut it down to one guy who had to stop the truck, climb out, go round the back, collect the stuff, get back in the cab, drive down to the next house, repeat.

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            #108

            @EricLawton @futurebird

            Obviously a system based on having an endless stream of disposable workers.

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            • futurebird@sauropods.winF futurebird@sauropods.win

              I'm struggling to even getting myself into the headspace where two people working a truck is upsetting to me.

              Maybe this person works for UPS or some delivery company where drivers work alone and it is often *very dangerous*. (but just workable I guess? They still block traffic all the time) and they want everyone to suffer?

              How do you look at a $7,000,000 patriot missile and get mad about more people being employed in the very honorable and *life-saving* work of collecting garbage?

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              #109

              @futurebird Do you remember the NYC garbage strike? To this day it blows my mind that “nobody” learned any lessons from that very powerful action.

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              • billiglarper@rollenspiel.socialB billiglarper@rollenspiel.social

                @futurebird

                It's absolutely depressing.

                Perhaps they are projecting? The want to take advantage of others, so they see others taking advantage of them all the time? Pehaps reinforced by their own unhappyness in life? Like they think they would be "deserving" of more status, but "they" are keeping them down?

                And it's doubly frustrating by how stupid it is. A driver and a collector is the bare minimum to be efficient. Anybody who has seen the speed at wich they work should know this.

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                #110

                @billiglarper @futurebird
                We have single operators most trucks here, city trucks. And the guys (it’s always guys) are rushed and are often seen driving away and dropping bins while moving fast

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                • futurebird@sauropods.winF futurebird@sauropods.win

                  @Karen5Lund @Nerts

                  I guess they maybe thought there was a broadway show in there or something. LMAO.

                  (but, in a way, there is a broadway show in the sidewalk crack. Ant drama is high drama.)

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                  #111

                  @futurebird @Karen5Lund @Nerts
                  I want an ant opera now.

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                  • futurebird@sauropods.winF futurebird@sauropods.win

                    How have so many people been trained to think like they are private equity managers who just want to cut every job, anything that makes middle class people exist?

                    And this comment had a bunch of likes ... none of the people getting mad about this really are private equity managers. They won't get rich. But the sight of people with "cushy" (livable, decent) jobs just makes them mad?

                    It's so depressing.

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                    #112

                    @futurebird Carl Icahn and Milton Friedman. It used to be that business management, for all its faults, was about stewardship of the institution rather than pleasing the most sociopathic of its short-term shareholders. Those two psychos very quickly created a meme (in the original sociological context) that infected a generation of people who were out to maximize their own pleasure. It changed the culture as a whole.

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                      #113

                      @dartigen @futurebird @ehproque
                      Now that you mention it our guys probably ride inside the trucks now, too. I mostly see them walking behind the truck through the neighborhood. It's been years since I remember seeing someone on the back of a garbage truck on a major street.

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                      • futurebird@sauropods.winF futurebird@sauropods.win

                        @thejessiekirk

                        We love making things worse in America. Like having one person trying to run an entire pharmacy. (here our "chemists" don't just fill prescriptions but there is a whole connivence store too kind of like Boots in there too. They want to just have one person do this whole thing.)

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                        #114

                        @futurebird @thejessiekirk

                        What chain is that so I can avoid it.

                        Not that CVS here has much if any competition other than the lil pharmacies in Safeway Stores.

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                        • cshlan@dawdling.netC cshlan@dawdling.net

                          @futurebird @billiglarper
                          They're thinking of people as overhead rather than coworkers. Like rent or office supplies.

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                          #115

                          @cshlan

                          Remember the old days, when at least they thought they had to pretend to be "job creators"?

                          @futurebird @billiglarper

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                          • futurebird@sauropods.winF futurebird@sauropods.win

                            People are cheapskates with poor people but spendthrift with billionaires.

                            I just listened to someone complaining about how "the garbage union" has schemed so that there are always two people operating NYC garbage trucks to "waste my tax dollars" and I guess making too many wealthy sanitation workers... oh no the horror.

                            I like that there are two people on each truck. It's more efficient and safer. But, even if it was somehow a waste I promise you that's not who is wasting your money bud.

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                            #116

                            @futurebird

                            Over here we call that "bicycleing".
                            Buckeling to the top and stepping on those at the bottom.

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                            • futurebird@sauropods.winF futurebird@sauropods.win

                              People are cheapskates with poor people but spendthrift with billionaires.

                              I just listened to someone complaining about how "the garbage union" has schemed so that there are always two people operating NYC garbage trucks to "waste my tax dollars" and I guess making too many wealthy sanitation workers... oh no the horror.

                              I like that there are two people on each truck. It's more efficient and safer. But, even if it was somehow a waste I promise you that's not who is wasting your money bud.

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                              #117

                              @futurebird

                              It’s usually the one person pickups that miss bins here and there, requiring return pickups that cost more money. Also, one person pickups cause longer truck idling times, using more fuel in the short term, higher maintenance costs in the long term.

                              The logic of cheapskates is full of holes to begin with.

                              @regendans

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