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  3. In history class, I never understood how “advanced” civilizations could collapse.

In history class, I never understood how “advanced” civilizations could collapse.

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  • strandjunker@mstdn.socialS strandjunker@mstdn.social

    In history class, I never understood how “advanced” civilizations could collapse. It just didn’t seem plausible.

    Anyway, I’ve seen enough. I get it now.

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    #20

    @Strandjunker but just imagine the value we’re creating for shareholders!

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    • strandjunker@mstdn.socialS strandjunker@mstdn.social

      In history class, I never understood how “advanced” civilizations could collapse. It just didn’t seem plausible.

      Anyway, I’ve seen enough. I get it now.

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      #21

      @Strandjunker It all feels like a house of cards, doesn't it?

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      • strandjunker@mstdn.socialS strandjunker@mstdn.social

        In history class, I never understood how “advanced” civilizations could collapse. It just didn’t seem plausible.

        Anyway, I’ve seen enough. I get it now.

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        #22

        @Strandjunker Those who don't learn from history...

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        • transitbiker@urbanists.socialT transitbiker@urbanists.social

          @FishNamedDog @Strandjunker republicans are putting on a coup that superficially resembles a hapless clown show. Was the horse part of a coup attempt?

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          #23

          @TransitBiker@urbanists.social @FishNamedDog@mastodon.social @Strandjunker@mstdn.social More a way for the emperor to insult the senators, kinda like "You think you're the top of Rome, but you can't tell me what to do any more than this horse can!"

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          • airtower@woem.menA airtower@woem.men

            @TransitBiker@urbanists.social @FishNamedDog@mastodon.social @Strandjunker@mstdn.social More a way for the emperor to insult the senators, kinda like "You think you're the top of Rome, but you can't tell me what to do any more than this horse can!"

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            @TransitBiker@urbanists.social @Strandjunker@mstdn.social @FishNamedDog@mastodon.social It's questionable if that exact thing actually happened, but it fits into how after the first two the emperors increasingly stopped pretending the republic was still intact and they were just the most influential senators (with a ridiculous amount of other offices/honors). The coup against the republic was long done by then (though there were many to become emperor instead of the emperor).

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            • strandjunker@mstdn.socialS strandjunker@mstdn.social

              In history class, I never understood how “advanced” civilizations could collapse. It just didn’t seem plausible.

              Anyway, I’ve seen enough. I get it now.

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              #25

              @Strandjunker Fair enough.

              “Computer, end simulation.”

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              • strandjunker@mstdn.socialS strandjunker@mstdn.social

                In history class, I never understood how “advanced” civilizations could collapse. It just didn’t seem plausible.

                Anyway, I’ve seen enough. I get it now.

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                #26

                @Strandjunker Advanced civilisations collapse in the same way that wise old men die. It's not only plausible, it's the natural order of things.

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                • theonedoc@tech.lgbtT theonedoc@tech.lgbt

                  @Strandjunker it's an empire and all empires are bound to fall.

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                  @TheOneDoc @Strandjunker At least we got quite few recent examples, like USSR in the 90's as well.
                  So better documented than ancient ones like roman empire, bronze age, …
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                  • strandjunker@mstdn.socialS strandjunker@mstdn.social

                    In history class, I never understood how “advanced” civilizations could collapse. It just didn’t seem plausible.

                    Anyway, I’ve seen enough. I get it now.

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                    #28

                    @Strandjunker

                    I still don't get it. I'm a news junkie in the US, and I still don't understand what I'm seeing, even though it's all around me. It just makes no sense

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                    • strandjunker@mstdn.socialS strandjunker@mstdn.social

                      In history class, I never understood how “advanced” civilizations could collapse. It just didn’t seem plausible.

                      Anyway, I’ve seen enough. I get it now.

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                      #29

                      @Strandjunker Every civilisation collapses eventually, for different reasons. Quite often the system cannot maintain its complexity any longer because the complexity costs keep growing while the resources dwindle, and often the system tries to solve the problem by adding another layer of even more complexity because that was the thing that had always worked in the past.
                      Once you stop looking at civilisation as a human endeavour run by a bunch of experts and thinkers and begin to look at it as a self-organising complex system consisting of all kinds of humans, most of whom don't really know what they're doing and just repeating what seemed to work in the past, you begin to realise that every civilisation eventually crosses the point of no return where collapse becomes inevitable. The Industrial Age is quite likely already beyond saving, we crossed the line some twenty years ago.

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                      • strandjunker@mstdn.socialS strandjunker@mstdn.social

                        In history class, I never understood how “advanced” civilizations could collapse. It just didn’t seem plausible.

                        Anyway, I’ve seen enough. I get it now.

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                        #30

                        @Strandjunker 💯

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                        • fishnameddog@mastodon.socialF fishnameddog@mastodon.social

                          @Strandjunker can't decide if the US government is currently being more or less ridiculous than the Romans appointing a horse to the Senate

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                          #31

                          @FishNamedDog @Strandjunker https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JhkZMxgPxXU "There's a horse in the hospital!"

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                          • theonedoc@tech.lgbtT theonedoc@tech.lgbt

                            @Strandjunker it's an empire and all empires are bound to fall.

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                            @TheOneDoc @Strandjunker Fail is a strong word. Maybe “transform”? Russia has been acting imperial for centuries. It was an empire in the 1709s. It subjugated its neighbours for various reasons, geography and food access for eg.

                            Take Finland… since 1809, it has been annexed by Russia, achieved independence, then lost a chunk of territory to the USSR (heavily Russian power structure in the USSR)

                            The USSR lost dominance over its neighbours in the 90’s. The Russian SFSR became the Russian Federation

                            They’ve started wars with Chechnya, Geogria, and Ukraine. While suppressing non-Russian minorities within Russia.

                            They’re influencing the Iran war.

                            Russia still sounds hella imperial to me

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                            • strandjunker@mstdn.socialS strandjunker@mstdn.social

                              In history class, I never understood how “advanced” civilizations could collapse. It just didn’t seem plausible.

                              Anyway, I’ve seen enough. I get it now.

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                              #33

                              @Strandjunker

                              sad thing that advanced i tech does not correlate to advanced in mind

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