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  3. Some years ago, I needed to get an visa for urgent travel to China, a process that required me to fly down to SF and stand in a very long line at the Chinese consulate.

Some years ago, I needed to get an visa for urgent travel to China, a process that required me to fly down to SF and stand in a very long line at the Chinese consulate.

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  • dan@discuss.systemsD dan@discuss.systems

    Some years ago, I needed to get an visa for urgent travel to China, a process that required me to fly down to SF and stand in a very long line at the Chinese consulate. When I finally handed the woman there my forms, she promptly stamped them and said "you need to take these to Window 2", pointing around the corner. So I walked around the corner...

    ...where *the same woman* swiveled her chair around and proceeded to check the stamp that she had just applied.

    I would have been annoyed if I wasn't in so much awe at discovering the purest form of bureaucracy.

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    #62

    @dan this is exactly how hyperthreading in CPUs work

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    • dan@discuss.systemsD dan@discuss.systems

      Some years ago, I needed to get an visa for urgent travel to China, a process that required me to fly down to SF and stand in a very long line at the Chinese consulate. When I finally handed the woman there my forms, she promptly stamped them and said "you need to take these to Window 2", pointing around the corner. So I walked around the corner...

      ...where *the same woman* swiveled her chair around and proceeded to check the stamp that she had just applied.

      I would have been annoyed if I wasn't in so much awe at discovering the purest form of bureaucracy.

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      #63

      @dan

      I’d love her to watch Terry Gilliams Brazil… She’d probably assume it was a documentary…

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      • dan@discuss.systemsD dan@discuss.systems

        Some years ago, I needed to get an visa for urgent travel to China, a process that required me to fly down to SF and stand in a very long line at the Chinese consulate. When I finally handed the woman there my forms, she promptly stamped them and said "you need to take these to Window 2", pointing around the corner. So I walked around the corner...

        ...where *the same woman* swiveled her chair around and proceeded to check the stamp that she had just applied.

        I would have been annoyed if I wasn't in so much awe at discovering the purest form of bureaucracy.

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        #64

        @dan I've written up notes for a D&D campaign in a surreal city, and one of the locations is a pair of buildings named the Tenements of Faith and the Tenements of State.

        The one is inhabited by bickering priests of innumerable minor gods, the other by low-level bureaucrats.

        I'll be stealing this for the latter.

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        • peter_b@im-in.spaceP peter_b@im-in.space

          @dan I've written up notes for a D&D campaign in a surreal city, and one of the locations is a pair of buildings named the Tenements of Faith and the Tenements of State.

          The one is inhabited by bickering priests of innumerable minor gods, the other by low-level bureaucrats.

          I'll be stealing this for the latter.

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          #65

          @peter_b @dan "The Twelve Tasks of Astérix" is maybe not a very good Astérix book or movie, but the rendition of bureaucratic hell is top-notch.

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          • steve@discuss.systemsS steve@discuss.systems

            @kstatz12 @dan @ricci @sharon the Brown band depicted a coat-hangar abortion in the halftime show at Holy Cross (still banned from campus 40 years later, I think) 😬.

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            #66

            @steve @kstatz12 @dan @ricci @sharon
            Nice

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            • adriano@lile.clA adriano@lile.cl

              @peter_b @dan "The Twelve Tasks of Astérix" is maybe not a very good Astérix book or movie, but the rendition of bureaucratic hell is top-notch.

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              #67

              @adriano @dan That was the original inspiration! 😄

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              • peter_b@im-in.spaceP peter_b@im-in.space

                @adriano @dan That was the original inspiration! 😄

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                #68

                @peter_b @dan When I was in college I had to obtain some papers and I did have to do a round of about five or so desks and queues only to end up at the first one.

                The person there got snippy at me for being annoyed, to which I replied that if I'd had to circle four queues to end up at the beginning maybe I wasn't the one in the wrong.

                I think. It's been a few decades. But we can do this in Argentina, too. We have the technology.

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                • steve@discuss.systemsS steve@discuss.systems

                  @kstatz12 @dan @ricci @sharon the Brown band depicted a coat-hangar abortion in the halftime show at Holy Cross (still banned from campus 40 years later, I think) 😬.

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                  #69

                  @steve @dan @ricci @sharon is there like a group of outlaw band directors like 1% bikers. do they have the diamond patch on their uniforms?

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                  • kstatz12@discuss.systemsK kstatz12@discuss.systems

                    @steve @dan @ricci @sharon is there like a group of outlaw band directors like 1% bikers. do they have the diamond patch on their uniforms?

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                    #70

                    @kstatz12 @dan @ricci @sharon common thread of most of these bands (Stanford and most of the Ivies [ex-Cornell], plus some others) is that they don't have directors, they're purely student run (usually with a faculty advisor).

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                    • steve@discuss.systemsS steve@discuss.systems

                      @kstatz12 @dan @ricci @sharon common thread of most of these bands (Stanford and most of the Ivies [ex-Cornell], plus some others) is that they don't have directors, they're purely student run (usually with a faculty advisor).

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                      #71

                      @steve @dan @ricci @sharon as someone who was nearly tricked into being a faculty advisor (for the school quidditch team) that has a strong possibility of ending in chaos

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                      • kstatz12@discuss.systemsK kstatz12@discuss.systems

                        @steve @dan @ricci @sharon as someone who was nearly tricked into being a faculty advisor (for the school quidditch team) that has a strong possibility of ending in chaos

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                        #72

                        @kstatz12 @dan @ricci @sharon Other hit episodes include "The Princeton Band visits The Citadel (2008)" and "The Brown Band may or may not still be banned from West Point, it was like 1985 and I don't think it's come up again."

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                        • dan@discuss.systemsD dan@discuss.systems

                          Some years ago, I needed to get an visa for urgent travel to China, a process that required me to fly down to SF and stand in a very long line at the Chinese consulate. When I finally handed the woman there my forms, she promptly stamped them and said "you need to take these to Window 2", pointing around the corner. So I walked around the corner...

                          ...where *the same woman* swiveled her chair around and proceeded to check the stamp that she had just applied.

                          I would have been annoyed if I wasn't in so much awe at discovering the purest form of bureaucracy.

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                          #73

                          @dan sounds like a pink panther movie.

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                          • dan@discuss.systemsD dan@discuss.systems

                            Some years ago, I needed to get an visa for urgent travel to China, a process that required me to fly down to SF and stand in a very long line at the Chinese consulate. When I finally handed the woman there my forms, she promptly stamped them and said "you need to take these to Window 2", pointing around the corner. So I walked around the corner...

                            ...where *the same woman* swiveled her chair around and proceeded to check the stamp that she had just applied.

                            I would have been annoyed if I wasn't in so much awe at discovering the purest form of bureaucracy.

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                            #74

                            @dan
                            this is impressive. but. both of your checks were on the same day in the same building. this would be an efficient day of progress on any application, review, or question regarding disability or welfare benefits.

                            like this is douglas adams and welfare/disability is kafka

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                            • dan@discuss.systemsD dan@discuss.systems

                              @rk this scene would translate well to an Infocom game

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                              #75

                              @dan @rk isn't that more or less what Papers, Please is about? https://papersplea.se/

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                              • adriano@lile.clA adriano@lile.cl

                                @peter_b @dan When I was in college I had to obtain some papers and I did have to do a round of about five or so desks and queues only to end up at the first one.

                                The person there got snippy at me for being annoyed, to which I replied that if I'd had to circle four queues to end up at the beginning maybe I wasn't the one in the wrong.

                                I think. It's been a few decades. But we can do this in Argentina, too. We have the technology.

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                                #76

                                @adriano @peter_b @dan similar to my experience immigrating to Portugal. There are all sorts of places where you can get in a dependency loop of 3 or more government entities all of which insist one of the others approve a document before they can do anything. Mostly a function of AIMA (the immigration bureaucracy) being very underfunded for the load placed on it. But also, the PT bureaucracy seems to give a lot of wiggle room for untrained employees to make stuff up or ignore published rules.

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                                • steve@discuss.systemsS steve@discuss.systems

                                  @kstatz12 @dan @ricci @sharon Other hit episodes include "The Princeton Band visits The Citadel (2008)" and "The Brown Band may or may not still be banned from West Point, it was like 1985 and I don't think it's come up again."

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                                  #77

                                  @steve @dan @ricci @sharon "trolling service academies for fun and profit: an ivy guide"

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                                  • dan@discuss.systemsD dan@discuss.systems

                                    Some years ago, I needed to get an visa for urgent travel to China, a process that required me to fly down to SF and stand in a very long line at the Chinese consulate. When I finally handed the woman there my forms, she promptly stamped them and said "you need to take these to Window 2", pointing around the corner. So I walked around the corner...

                                    ...where *the same woman* swiveled her chair around and proceeded to check the stamp that she had just applied.

                                    I would have been annoyed if I wasn't in so much awe at discovering the purest form of bureaucracy.

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                                    #78

                                    @dan nearly 30 years ago I visited one of the smaller Caribbean islands… 4 seater plane and they had to shoo goats off the runway before we landed. On arrival, a friendly chap in a smart uniform and hat at passport control inspected our passports and then directed us to customs control. He walked with us to this other desk, stuck on a slightly different hat and asked us if we had anything to declare!

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                                    • kstatz12@discuss.systemsK kstatz12@discuss.systems

                                      @steve @dan @ricci @sharon is there like a group of outlaw band directors like 1% bikers. do they have the diamond patch on their uniforms?

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                                      #79

                                      @kstatz12 @steve @dan @sharon my kid's middle school band played "killing in the name" at their recital, that probably got the director his patch

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                                      • ricci@discuss.systemsR ricci@discuss.systems

                                        @kstatz12 @steve @dan @sharon my kid's middle school band played "killing in the name" at their recital, that probably got the director his patch

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                                        #80

                                        @ricci @steve @dan @sharon that or cooking biker crank in a sousaphone

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                                        • dan@discuss.systemsD dan@discuss.systems

                                          Some years ago, I needed to get an visa for urgent travel to China, a process that required me to fly down to SF and stand in a very long line at the Chinese consulate. When I finally handed the woman there my forms, she promptly stamped them and said "you need to take these to Window 2", pointing around the corner. So I walked around the corner...

                                          ...where *the same woman* swiveled her chair around and proceeded to check the stamp that she had just applied.

                                          I would have been annoyed if I wasn't in so much awe at discovering the purest form of bureaucracy.

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                                          #81

                                          @dan

                                          All we need is a camera and for you to be Steve Carrell for this to be perfect.

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