Welcome to the #LongestTrainEU #CrossBorderRail record breaking thread!
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@tml @jon @sebwilken @Jonas_Bostrom @stefanlindbohm Maybe the trains they need to run there are stuck on the wrong branch line?
Interestingly, Haparanda is not listed as an impacted station on Trafikverket's page, so it didn't really make sense
@nafmo @tml @sebwilken @Jonas_Bostrom @stefanlindbohm No, Haparanda - Luleå is one train going back and forth. So ought to be OK.
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Trains *are* running in Boden
https://www.trafikverket.se/trafikinformation/tag/?Station=Boden+C&ArrDep=departure@jon At least the southbound part of Boden C seems operational, yes.
94 is the Stockholm-Luleå sleeper.
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@jon There’s a SJ train schedules to leave just about now. But it arrived and departs from/to the south. So might not be affected depending on how the power sections are arranged.
@jon It did depart, but I don’t think that tells us anything.
I found a cab view video out of Boden and there’s a power section sign just north before Haparandabanan branches off. This and the fact that Trafikverket only has this one disruption listed which is matching the electrical fault. I would think it’s the correct one.
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Trains *are* running in Boden
https://www.trafikverket.se/trafikinformation/tag/?Station=Boden+C&ArrDep=departureAnd if you look at the data for Boden the "Elfel" (electric fault) is only towards Kiruna
I reckon 7185 *could* run, if Norrtåg wants it to. Let's see if they want it to run!
https://www.trafikverket.se/trafikinformation/tag/?Station=Boden+C&ArrDep=departure
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@jon It did depart, but I don’t think that tells us anything.
I found a cab view video out of Boden and there’s a power section sign just north before Haparandabanan branches off. This and the fact that Trafikverket only has this one disruption listed which is matching the electrical fault. I would think it’s the correct one.
@stefanlindbohm But interestingly there is nothing listed for Haparanda trains that Elfel is the problem.
It is *possible* that they just cancelled the Haparanda one anyway, as they often do, and that the infra would allow it to run.
Anyway I am waiting to see if 7185 does run as a train...
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And if you look at the data for Boden the "Elfel" (electric fault) is only towards Kiruna
I reckon 7185 *could* run, if Norrtåg wants it to. Let's see if they want it to run!
https://www.trafikverket.se/trafikinformation/tag/?Station=Boden+C&ArrDep=departure
@jon Could also be that Trafikverket forgot to mention the Haparanda line. Sounds unlikely, but time will tell.
7185 does run on the iron ore line for a bit though!
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@jon Could also be that Trafikverket forgot to mention the Haparanda line. Sounds unlikely, but time will tell.
7185 does run on the iron ore line for a bit though!
@gufo Right, exactly. That's what is so hard to estimate. If someone could specify more precisely WHERE the problem is that would help a lot!
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@stefanlindbohm But interestingly there is nothing listed for Haparanda trains that Elfel is the problem.
It is *possible* that they just cancelled the Haparanda one anyway, as they often do, and that the infra would allow it to run.
Anyway I am waiting to see if 7185 does run as a train...
@jon I’d also think it’s possible that the disruption code is added based in the line the train is marked as running on, but that the power section just slightly extends into the junction. Then maybe the Haparanda trains don’t automatically get the code.
Someone in an operations centre will be needed indeed
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And why there is a 6 finger hand on the train door, thanks to @saruwine - 2006 article https://yle.fi/aihe/a/20-24799
@jon @saruwine Count Rugen? #theprincessbride
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@jon Option 2! It‘s a record attempt after all, so give us some thrill
@jon @sebwilken +1
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@jon Trafikverket estimates that it will take all day to fix. Could of course be just a pessimistic estimate, but it doesn't sound promising for 7185.
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@jon I’d also think it’s possible that the disruption code is added based in the line the train is marked as running on, but that the power section just slightly extends into the junction. Then maybe the Haparanda trains don’t automatically get the code.
Someone in an operations centre will be needed indeed
@jon So I found a map of exactly where the power sections split, and the section that starts just north of Boden extends exactly to Murjek. So it’s exactly one power section that is down and it does include the junction to Haparandabanan.
The split to the first power section to Haparandabanan is right after the junction in that direction. So you’re missing 4,8 km of power to get any trains in your direction.
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@jon So I found a map of exactly where the power sections split, and the section that starts just north of Boden extends exactly to Murjek. So it’s exactly one power section that is down and it does include the junction to Haparandabanan.
The split to the first power section to Haparandabanan is right after the junction in that direction. So you’re missing 4,8 km of power to get any trains in your direction.
@stefanlindbohm Boden to Murjek is one whole power section? That's *super long*! Damn it though...
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@stefanlindbohm Boden to Murjek is one whole power section? That's *super long*! Damn it though...
@jon Electrified in 1915
️Here’s your affected section for reference. Source is jarnvagskartan.se (clearly using open data from Trafikverket)
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@jon Electrified in 1915
️Here’s your affected section for reference. Source is jarnvagskartan.se (clearly using open data from Trafikverket)
@stefanlindbohm How do you know the impacted section is just that bit?
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@jon If we have someone working at an operator, they have access to internal systems which is similar to the DB ones in Germany, with more detailed info not available to the public. I don’t have this access :((
@stefanlindbohm @jon I don't know if Maartje has access to the data
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@stefanlindbohm How do you know the impacted section is just that bit?
@jon The impacted section is by definition the whole power section. This is just the bit of it that is needed to run between Boden and Haparandabanan
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@jon The impacted section is by definition the whole power section. This is just the bit of it that is needed to run between Boden and Haparandabanan
@stefanlindbohm Ah, understood, OK.
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So I just called Norrtåg
There is a power line down somewhere. If it is fixed in time, 7185 will be a train. If it is NOT fixed in time it will be a bus...
So how bad is this power line failure?
@jon Damn, maybe we shouldn't have joked yesterday that it will be all fine if only you manage to get to Umeå.
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And if you look at the data for Boden the "Elfel" (electric fault) is only towards Kiruna
I reckon 7185 *could* run, if Norrtåg wants it to. Let's see if they want it to run!
https://www.trafikverket.se/trafikinformation/tag/?Station=Boden+C&ArrDep=departure
This video explains what is going on: https://peertube.netzbegruenung.de/w/492iv19KegdFh6hW4TNDj7
At about 1100 CEST I will likely know what will happen - if train 7184 leaves Luleå headed to Haparanda, as that turns around here and should be the 13:47 departure (train 7185) to Boden
