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  • cavyherd@wandering.shopC cavyherd@wandering.shop

    @CorvidCrone

    Saying this in complete agreement:

    Most people have no concept of how much work goes into making a good manual. Done properly, it comprises about half the work of the entire project.

    On the one hand, I understand the management/budget motive for eliminating that piece—especially since TFMs are famously rarely actually Red.*

    OTOH—do you want your product to be actually f'g •useable•??

    * Just noticed this ambiguity/typo. I think I'll leave it, since it actually reads plausibly.

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    #40

    @CorvidCrone

    I would also submit that •until• you've written the manual, your •software• isn't finished, bc documenting the product will surface problems you can find in no other way....

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    • corvidcrone@kolektiva.socialC corvidcrone@kolektiva.social

      *gently grabs the cheeks of all programmers to stare deeply into their eyes*

      All I want is a dry tech manual. A boring, well indexed manual that defines every function. Not a chatbot. Not a training. Not a million "articles" that I have to search through. Not a "community forum".

      My rice cooker came with one. I want one for every piece of software I have to interact with.

      Go get yourself a technical writer if necessary.

      I. Want. An. Instructional. Manual.

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      #41

      @CorvidCrone Yes. Yes, and Yes.

      Though I'm glad community forums are a thing now that customer service doesn't actually exist.

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      • corvidcrone@kolektiva.socialC corvidcrone@kolektiva.social

        *gently grabs the cheeks of all programmers to stare deeply into their eyes*

        All I want is a dry tech manual. A boring, well indexed manual that defines every function. Not a chatbot. Not a training. Not a million "articles" that I have to search through. Not a "community forum".

        My rice cooker came with one. I want one for every piece of software I have to interact with.

        Go get yourself a technical writer if necessary.

        I. Want. An. Instructional. Manual.

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        #42

        @CorvidCrone Programmer replies: "I'd like to provide one but the Product Manager shot that idea down. 😭"

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        • kevbob@xoxo.zoneK kevbob@xoxo.zone

          @CorvidCrone Programmer replies: "I'd like to provide one but the Product Manager shot that idea down. 😭"

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          #43

          @kevbob

          Getting in my car, going to the hairdresser, getting the Karen cut, and then driving to your product manager

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          • bloognoo@retro.pizzaB bloognoo@retro.pizza

            @Furball @CorvidCrone @ahto
            I hope that's ironic.

            Discord is an unindexed hole where information gleaned by the communities the company offloaded support responsibilities on to goes to die. I am less likely to use a product or service if yhe only way you find out about it is the discord.
            Haxe, a programming language i love is abouttyo release version 5. I can't find any information about the release because all announcements, changelogs and info are inside their discord. Might as well put it on facebook.

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            #44

            @bloognoo @Furball @ahto

            I am approximately 30 to 40 years old. I remember Myspace. Discord is a black hole to me.

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            • corvidcrone@kolektiva.socialC This user is from outside of this forum
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              #45

              @Steveg58 that's a lot of acronyms I don't know

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              • corvidcrone@kolektiva.socialC corvidcrone@kolektiva.social

                *gently grabs the cheeks of all programmers to stare deeply into their eyes*

                All I want is a dry tech manual. A boring, well indexed manual that defines every function. Not a chatbot. Not a training. Not a million "articles" that I have to search through. Not a "community forum".

                My rice cooker came with one. I want one for every piece of software I have to interact with.

                Go get yourself a technical writer if necessary.

                I. Want. An. Instructional. Manual.

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                #46

                @CorvidCrone I have long wished I were that technical writer.

                Hire me.

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                • corvidcrone@kolektiva.socialC corvidcrone@kolektiva.social

                  @kevbob

                  Getting in my car, going to the hairdresser, getting the Karen cut, and then driving to your product manager

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                  #47

                  @CorvidCrone *dying here* 😂

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                  • corvidcrone@kolektiva.socialC corvidcrone@kolektiva.social

                    *gently grabs the cheeks of all programmers to stare deeply into their eyes*

                    All I want is a dry tech manual. A boring, well indexed manual that defines every function. Not a chatbot. Not a training. Not a million "articles" that I have to search through. Not a "community forum".

                    My rice cooker came with one. I want one for every piece of software I have to interact with.

                    Go get yourself a technical writer if necessary.

                    I. Want. An. Instructional. Manual.

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                    #48

                    Corvid Crone

                    Can we please also ensure that this manual doesn’t assume I already know what I’m doing? If that were so, I wouldn’t need the manual.

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                    • cavyherd@wandering.shopC cavyherd@wandering.shop

                      @CorvidCrone

                      I don't use it often, but when I do, I am reminded of what a glory & a wonder is the very thorough index in The Joy of Cooking.

                      I'm willing to bet that index took as long to construct as the entire rest of the book, but for my money, it's entirely worth it.

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                      #49

                      Two things I learned in an indexing class — be, an index is copyrightable independent of the work; and two, a work doesn’t need to be very complicated before two professional indexers might come up with strikingly different indexes.

                      @cavyherd @CorvidCrone

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                      • jandi@mastodon.socialJ jandi@mastodon.social

                        @CorvidCrone Do you need a Linux distro? https://mxlinux.org/manuals/

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                        #50

                        @jandi

                        This is the second Linux distro I've been offered.

                        Why? How does that address the issue of software I must use for work not having a tech manual?

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                        • wizardofdocs@wandering.shopW wizardofdocs@wandering.shop

                          @CorvidCrone I have long wished I were that technical writer.

                          Hire me.

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                          #51

                          @WizardOfDocs

                          #FediHire !

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                            #52

                            @flammableengineering

                            I approve

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                            • corvidcrone@kolektiva.socialC corvidcrone@kolektiva.social

                              *gently grabs the cheeks of all programmers to stare deeply into their eyes*

                              All I want is a dry tech manual. A boring, well indexed manual that defines every function. Not a chatbot. Not a training. Not a million "articles" that I have to search through. Not a "community forum".

                              My rice cooker came with one. I want one for every piece of software I have to interact with.

                              Go get yourself a technical writer if necessary.

                              I. Want. An. Instructional. Manual.

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                              #53

                              @CorvidCrone "...but ChatGPT can summarize it for y—"

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                              • corvidcrone@kolektiva.socialC corvidcrone@kolektiva.social

                                *gently grabs the cheeks of all programmers to stare deeply into their eyes*

                                All I want is a dry tech manual. A boring, well indexed manual that defines every function. Not a chatbot. Not a training. Not a million "articles" that I have to search through. Not a "community forum".

                                My rice cooker came with one. I want one for every piece of software I have to interact with.

                                Go get yourself a technical writer if necessary.

                                I. Want. An. Instructional. Manual.

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                                #54

                                @CorvidCrone

                                I am writing one, mostly out of sheer, pent-up rage at the Cool Kids.

                                Give people a working manual.

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                                • corvidcrone@kolektiva.socialC corvidcrone@kolektiva.social

                                  *gently grabs the cheeks of all programmers to stare deeply into their eyes*

                                  All I want is a dry tech manual. A boring, well indexed manual that defines every function. Not a chatbot. Not a training. Not a million "articles" that I have to search through. Not a "community forum".

                                  My rice cooker came with one. I want one for every piece of software I have to interact with.

                                  Go get yourself a technical writer if necessary.

                                  I. Want. An. Instructional. Manual.

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                                  #55

                                  @CorvidCrone Ah, the good old days, when you were only a real tech writer if you could straightarm your documentation

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                                  • corvidcrone@kolektiva.socialC corvidcrone@kolektiva.social

                                    *gently grabs the cheeks of all programmers to stare deeply into their eyes*

                                    All I want is a dry tech manual. A boring, well indexed manual that defines every function. Not a chatbot. Not a training. Not a million "articles" that I have to search through. Not a "community forum".

                                    My rice cooker came with one. I want one for every piece of software I have to interact with.

                                    Go get yourself a technical writer if necessary.

                                    I. Want. An. Instructional. Manual.

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                                    #56

                                    @CorvidCrone if you're worried that some users won't be able to read that manual — you should include a comic for them. no, really.

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                                    • fishidwardrobe@mastodon.me.ukF fishidwardrobe@mastodon.me.uk

                                      @CorvidCrone if you're worried that some users won't be able to read that manual — you should include a comic for them. no, really.

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                                      #57

                                      @fishidwardrobe I'm not worried. I know people don't read most of the stuff they are supposed to. Such is the life of compliance and risk management

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                                      • dequbed@mastodon.chaosfield.atD dequbed@mastodon.chaosfield.at

                                        @CorvidCrone I miss the time when software came with manuals fit for knocking out your manager in case he gave you shit for still reading through the War-and-Peace-sized manual

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                                        #58

                                        @dequbed @CorvidCrone Hard same!

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                                        • antimu0n@furry.engineerA antimu0n@furry.engineer

                                          @Kay @CorvidCrone
                                          you can update a PDF
                                          you can update an ebook

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                                          #59

                                          @antimu0n @Kay @CorvidCrone Those have largely been replaced with thousands of shitty articles in knowledge bases running on Atlassian or Salesforce.

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