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  • viss@mastodon.socialV viss@mastodon.social

    @krypt3ia @acdha i refer to it as 'the bureaucratic plumbing', but yep

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    #38

    @Viss @acdha It burns for those who got into this as an avocation.

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    • cr0w@infosec.exchangeC cr0w@infosec.exchange

      @Viss @da_667 Maybe if engineers were actually engineers and didn't just import * from * for everything including OSs then there wouldn't be such an attack surface.

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      #39

      @cR0w @Viss @da_667

      "The requirements.txt is 1267 lines?"

      We want to be sure...

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      • jackryder@infosec.exchangeJ jackryder@infosec.exchange

        @cR0w @Viss @da_667

        "The requirements.txt is 1267 lines?"

        We want to be sure...

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        #40

        @jackryder @Viss @da_667 Even the fact that everything runs on GPOSs like Windows because it's easy is bad. Keep it fucking simple. Why should orgs have to mitigate so many vulns in services they don't want and don't need? Because it's easier for "engineers?" GTFO.

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        • cr0w@infosec.exchangeC cr0w@infosec.exchange

          @jackryder @Viss @da_667 Even the fact that everything runs on GPOSs like Windows because it's easy is bad. Keep it fucking simple. Why should orgs have to mitigate so many vulns in services they don't want and don't need? Because it's easier for "engineers?" GTFO.

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          #41

          @cR0w @Viss @da_667 I've had that convo!

          "We don't have resources to do it safely" is such a strange take for an organization that exists in the real world.

          Timelines suck, vendors are charming, shareholders have crazy requests. It's a terrible cycle.

          But cheating the cycle is lazy and just erodes the efforts of others.

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          • cr0w@infosec.exchangeC cr0w@infosec.exchange

            @jackryder @Viss @da_667 Even the fact that everything runs on GPOSs like Windows because it's easy is bad. Keep it fucking simple. Why should orgs have to mitigate so many vulns in services they don't want and don't need? Because it's easier for "engineers?" GTFO.

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            #42

            @cR0w @jackryder @Viss @da_667 Because it’s easier to support if everything is installed and turned on by default. You don’t get pesky users calling saying, “Why isn’t this working?” Fewer support calls saves money.

            We were fighting this battle in the OS during my Center for Internet Security days back in the early 2000s and made some progress as far as default installs. But entropy is gonna entropy.

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            • viss@mastodon.socialV viss@mastodon.social

              nobody confident in their own abilities is panicking

              https://www.theregister.com/2026/02/23/claude_code_security_panic/?td=rt-3a

              the people who are panicking are signaling.

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              #43

              @Viss What I am not confident in is the ability of tech CEOs to prioritize delivering products that are not pure shit.

              Delivering quality vs. delivering pure crap at a much lower cost?

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              • viss@mastodon.socialV viss@mastodon.social

                nobody confident in their own abilities is panicking

                https://www.theregister.com/2026/02/23/claude_code_security_panic/?td=rt-3a

                the people who are panicking are signaling.

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                #44

                @Viss The real victims here are the juniors and people recently entering a new field. LLMs teach you nothing (you have to do the learning yourself, like you always do), yet they give the illusion of productivity. The game is rigged so that junior devs are rewarded for pretending to gain understanding, when all they do is lean on the LLMs and hope they don’t fuck up.

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                • viss@mastodon.socialV viss@mastodon.social

                  nobody confident in their own abilities is panicking

                  https://www.theregister.com/2026/02/23/claude_code_security_panic/?td=rt-3a

                  the people who are panicking are signaling.

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                  #45

                  @Viss Hey now, Claude found an SQL injection in my code and I like to think I have a pretty good practice of secure coding.

                  It thinks the statically typed i32 is an injection vulnerability and wants to fix it with more than a hundred lines of crud because it doesn’t understand how to make parameterized statements in my SQL library. It also made all of that crud public API in ways it could easily be called out of order and make new state issues. But that’s exactly the point.

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                  • viss@mastodon.socialV viss@mastodon.social

                    if youve ever been burned because some asshole in HR shitcanned your resume because "you didnt go to the right college" or you couldnt score a gig because "you refused to get a cissp", or if youve ever ragequit a job because you were just "the token security person who was only there to fulfill a checkbox, and nobody listened to you and you felt like your job didnt matter" then you should want it to burn down too

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                    #46

                    @Viss When I got into security something like 15 years ago, it was so different. At that time, in the Mac community, I could make a difference, and do meaningful things. That’s so much harder to do now, with so many stupid, bureaucratic roadblocks, and I’m glad I’m looking at a career in the security industry in the rear view mirror.

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                    • viss@mastodon.socialV viss@mastodon.social

                      @cR0w @da_667 thats another big angle too

                      2 years ago at securityfest i was at lunch and another presenter showed up. some js/npm guy. he laughed and gloated that he doesnt ever need to give a shit about the network or the OS because who cares? his js shit works and thats all that mattered. he openly flaunted being ignorant about how the shit that makes his entire world function is lame and he doesnt care about it.

                      its that kinda sentiment right there, that installs the rot

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                      #47

                      @Viss @cR0w @da_667 People who have contempt for everything outside of their overengineered virtual machine really grind my gears, because when their abstraction inevitably leaks, this sclerotic industry will prevent them from suffering the consequences of their actions. But I ran into people like this ten years ago. LLMs just kicked the dilettantism into hyperdrive.

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                      • viss@mastodon.socialV viss@mastodon.social

                        @catsalad surely it would be (kernel)panic at the cisco 😄

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                        #48

                        @Viss "Oh you know IOS? Which one–the fruit or the trash fire?"

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                        • jackryder@infosec.exchangeJ jackryder@infosec.exchange

                          @catsalad @Viss
                          🎵 I chime in with a "Haven't you people ever heard of commenting your goddamn code? No..."

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                          #49

                          @catsalad @Viss @jackryder
                          obligatory https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LWFrgjFb56E

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                          • catsalad@infosec.exchangeC catsalad@infosec.exchange

                            @Viss Panic! At the Infosec?

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                            #50

                            @catsalad @Viss what's my uptime again?

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                            • viss@mastodon.socialV viss@mastodon.social

                              nobody confident in their own abilities is panicking

                              https://www.theregister.com/2026/02/23/claude_code_security_panic/?td=rt-3a

                              the people who are panicking are signaling.

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                              #51

                              @Viss getting supremely annoyed at that headline and how much bullshit it's carrying

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                              • viss@mastodon.socialV viss@mastodon.social

                                if youve ever been burned because some asshole in HR shitcanned your resume because "you didnt go to the right college" or you couldnt score a gig because "you refused to get a cissp", or if youve ever ragequit a job because you were just "the token security person who was only there to fulfill a checkbox, and nobody listened to you and you felt like your job didnt matter" then you should want it to burn down too

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                                #52

                                @Viss

                                Don't hold back Viss. Tell us how you really feel. 🙂

                                But seriously, to the point of the original article, yeah, no.

                                If I'm being very generous and allow that a "spicy linter" might be a halfway decent SAST (static application security testing) tool, that best case scenario would still be overwhelmed by the new and interesting security bugs introduced by their code generating brethren, "spicy autocomplete."

                                Full agree with Viss on the main point about folks with deep technical view.

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                                • viss@mastodon.socialV viss@mastodon.social

                                  nobody confident in their own abilities is panicking

                                  https://www.theregister.com/2026/02/23/claude_code_security_panic/?td=rt-3a

                                  the people who are panicking are signaling.

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                                  #53

                                  @Viss on but I will panic, just not for the reasons they think.

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                                  • viss@mastodon.socialV viss@mastodon.social

                                    nobody confident in their own abilities is panicking

                                    https://www.theregister.com/2026/02/23/claude_code_security_panic/?td=rt-3a

                                    the people who are panicking are signaling.

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                                    #54

                                    @Viss the people who might be panicking for good reason are software maintainers at companies where thes agents are going to be given free range to fix usually inconsequential yellow flags by inserting reams of unreviewed code.

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                                    • viss@mastodon.socialV viss@mastodon.social

                                      nobody confident in their own abilities is panicking

                                      https://www.theregister.com/2026/02/23/claude_code_security_panic/?td=rt-3a

                                      the people who are panicking are signaling.

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                                      #55

                                      @Viss

                                      apropos

                                      https://hachyderm.io/@shafik/116122722446447927

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                                      • kevingranade@mastodon.gamedev.placeK kevingranade@mastodon.gamedev.place

                                        @Viss the people who might be panicking for good reason are software maintainers at companies where thes agents are going to be given free range to fix usually inconsequential yellow flags by inserting reams of unreviewed code.

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                                        #56

                                        @kevingranade then the leadership of those companies are going to suffer quite largely when all their engieers quit, and their product catches fire, and all their customers leave.

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                                        • shafik@hachyderm.ioS shafik@hachyderm.io

                                          @Viss

                                          apropos

                                          https://hachyderm.io/@shafik/116122722446447927

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                                          #57

                                          @shafik there will be, at some point, enough people willing to deal with the pain of moving off ancient stuff like that. it may suck at first, but it will basically have to happen at some point because nobody is exactly teaching fortran and cobol these days, so soon as those engineers age out, the shit becomes egyptian heiroglyphs

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