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  3. The problem with renewable energies is that they're just not reliable enough.

The problem with renewable energies is that they're just not reliable enough.

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  • rune@social.sound-city.dkR rune@social.sound-city.dk

    @schratze we're just one strait short of demolishing the economy. Between oil, shipping, and AI shortages I'm sure we could ruin it real good

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    #6

    @rune @schratze strait to the bin with this economy

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    • stoori@polyglot.cityS stoori@polyglot.city

      @rune @schratze strait to the bin with this economy

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      #7

      @Stoori @schratze building that Evergreen future

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      • rune@social.sound-city.dkR rune@social.sound-city.dk

        @Stoori @schratze building that Evergreen future

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        #8

        @rune @schratze wishlist:

        ✅ Hormuz
        ⌛ Suez
        ⌛ Panama
        ⌛ Malacca
        ⌛ Sunda
        ⌛ Gibraltar
        ⌛ Bosporus

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        • stoori@polyglot.cityS stoori@polyglot.city

          @rune @schratze wishlist:

          ✅ Hormuz
          ⌛ Suez
          ⌛ Panama
          ⌛ Malacca
          ⌛ Sunda
          ⌛ Gibraltar
          ⌛ Bosporus

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          #9

          @Stoori @schratze be the economic downfall you want to see in the world.

          Also, Gibraltar would take one biiig boat

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          • rune@social.sound-city.dkR rune@social.sound-city.dk

            @Stoori @schratze be the economic downfall you want to see in the world.

            Also, Gibraltar would take one biiig boat

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            #10

            @rune @schratze perhaps all we need is a war between spain and morocco

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            • stoori@polyglot.cityS stoori@polyglot.city

              @rune @schratze perhaps all we need is a war between spain and morocco

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              @Stoori @schratze but spain are like sooo anti war right now they kicked out the US troops that were supposed to participate

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              • rune@social.sound-city.dkR rune@social.sound-city.dk

                @Stoori @schratze but spain are like sooo anti war right now they kicked out the US troops that were supposed to participate

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                #12

                @rune @schratze well that's a glimmer of hope at least

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                • gardengeek@mstdn.socialG gardengeek@mstdn.social

                  @schratze

                  💯😅

                  It's wild how the "intermittency" criticism of solar and wind keeps raising its head, like a centipede that won't die.

                  meanwhile, China's like: ok, smell ya' laters!!

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                  @gardengeek @schratze also I love how china went from "there's no point in us doing anything because china burns all the coal" to "well china managed to do it, why aren't we?"

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                  • schratze@todon.nlS schratze@todon.nl

                    The problem with renewable energies is that they're just not reliable enough.

                    Where is your wind and solar power supposed to come from now that the strait of Hormuz is blocked?

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                    #14

                    @schratze

                    😸

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                    • stoori@polyglot.cityS stoori@polyglot.city

                      @rune @schratze perhaps all we need is a war between spain and morocco

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                      #15

                      @Stoori @rune @schratze Heeey don't wish this kind of things. I'd blocked th Gibraltar strait myself if we can avoid that 😁

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                      • disisdeguey@expressional.socialD disisdeguey@expressional.social

                        @Stoori @rune @schratze Heeey don't wish this kind of things. I'd blocked th Gibraltar strait myself if we can avoid that 😁

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                        @disisdeguey @rune @schratze i'm afraid we're long past the point where we could accidentally ”give them ideas” with our morbid joking

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                        • emily_s@mastodon.me.ukE emily_s@mastodon.me.uk

                          @gardengeek @schratze also I love how china went from "there's no point in us doing anything because china burns all the coal" to "well china managed to do it, why aren't we?"

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                          @emily_s @gardengeek @schratze a Chinese VC corrected this for me with the most scary thing: "china is building more coal plants than ever before"

                          Last year was an 18y high according to Forbes. Chills me to the bone tbh.

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                          • iwein@mas.toI iwein@mas.to

                            @emily_s @gardengeek @schratze a Chinese VC corrected this for me with the most scary thing: "china is building more coal plants than ever before"

                            Last year was an 18y high according to Forbes. Chills me to the bone tbh.

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                            @iwein @emily_s @gardengeek @schratze Nevertheless the share of China's energy that comes from coal is declining fast and will continue to do so

                            https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/share-energy-source-sub?country=~CHN

                            Furthermore, some of the new coal plants replace older inefficient ones and produce fewer emissions.

                            One would almost think the Chinese have expected trouble in t' gulf and planned accordingly.

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                            • schratze@todon.nlS schratze@todon.nl

                              The problem with renewable energies is that they're just not reliable enough.

                              Where is your wind and solar power supposed to come from now that the strait of Hormuz is blocked?

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                              @schratze I would say that we have many mathematical models for predicting renewables too. But I'd not be surprised it that was the case for fossil fuels too

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                              • iwein@mas.toI iwein@mas.to

                                @emily_s @gardengeek @schratze a Chinese VC corrected this for me with the most scary thing: "china is building more coal plants than ever before"

                                Last year was an 18y high according to Forbes. Chills me to the bone tbh.

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                                @iwein @emily_s @gardengeek @schratze
                                lots of conflicting stories going around. hard to know what to believe. according to these two sources, china has been decreasing coal use for the last four years.

                                https://www.macrotrends.net/global-metrics/countries/chn/china/coal-usage-consumption

                                https://www.worldometers.info/coal/china-coal/

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                                • iwein@mas.toI iwein@mas.to

                                  @emily_s @gardengeek @schratze a Chinese VC corrected this for me with the most scary thing: "china is building more coal plants than ever before"

                                  Last year was an 18y high according to Forbes. Chills me to the bone tbh.

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                                  @iwein @emily_s @gardengeek @schratze Yeah, though I did hear they have to *because* of the massive growth in renewables because reasons (or something - sounded reasonable when I heard it, sounds laughable as I type it - but do think their trajectory is towards fully renewables, and astonishingly fast).

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                                  • schratze@todon.nlS schratze@todon.nl

                                    The problem with renewable energies is that they're just not reliable enough.

                                    Where is your wind and solar power supposed to come from now that the strait of Hormuz is blocked?

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                                    @schratze The sun definitely giving us solar today, first time it’s truly been sunny this year.

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                                    • rune@social.sound-city.dkR rune@social.sound-city.dk

                                      @Stoori @schratze but spain are like sooo anti war right now they kicked out the US troops that were supposed to participate

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                                      @rune @Stoori @schratze only until the next elections! (looking at the polls... 😬)

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                                      • schratze@todon.nlS schratze@todon.nl

                                        The problem with renewable energies is that they're just not reliable enough.

                                        Where is your wind and solar power supposed to come from now that the strait of Hormuz is blocked?

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                                        @schratze I write to you, heartbroken and in tears, for my dear mother.
                                        I’m Kholoud from Ga🥺za. My 90-year-old mother is blind, immobile, and recently had a stroke. She cries from painful sores because we ran out of diapers. Pleease heeelp us with the cost of diapers and one package of her stroke medication (Eliquis) only 🙏💔

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                                        • fishidwardrobe@mastodon.me.ukF fishidwardrobe@mastodon.me.uk

                                          @iwein @emily_s @gardengeek @schratze
                                          lots of conflicting stories going around. hard to know what to believe. according to these two sources, china has been decreasing coal use for the last four years.

                                          https://www.macrotrends.net/global-metrics/countries/chn/china/coal-usage-consumption

                                          https://www.worldometers.info/coal/china-coal/

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                                          @fishidwardrobe @iwein @emily_s @gardengeek @schratze

                                          My understanding is that at least part of the confusion is due to China building both new coal plans and renewables at a very high rate.

                                          They are adding a lot of new coal plants, but the proportion of total energy produced by coal still declines when you factor in all the new solar and wind they're doing at the same time.

                                          I am not a reliable source (although I do my best)! I think @parismarx discussed this in a recent episode of the #TechWontSaveUs podcast on the #GreenTransition

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