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  • alexhaist@wandering.shopA alexhaist@wandering.shop

    This is delightful fun: how far back in time can you understand English?

    In a fictional travel blog, the author writes about their experience in a small town, jumping back 100 years of English each entry.

    https://www.deadlanguagesociety.com/p/how-far-back-in-time-understand-english

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    @alexhaist This will be great fun to read in the blizzard tomorrow. Thanks!

    Oh, and “for neuer in al my lyf hadde I beholden so foule a creature.”

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    • alexhaist@wandering.shopA alexhaist@wandering.shop

      I can read back to about 1400, but I used to be able to puzzle through middle English in my 20s.

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      @alexhaist At 1200 I was lost. I got the sense with a Braille display and some gnawing I might have been able to figure out some of that one, but that's probably where it would have ended.

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      • alexhaist@wandering.shopA alexhaist@wandering.shop

        I can read back to about 1400, but I used to be able to puzzle through middle English in my 20s.

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        @alexhaist

        Allas! I scholde neuer hauen icumen to þis toune of Wuluesfleete!

        I know I should be able to read the 1100, and while finding I can read it aloud, the meaning of it has entirely escaped me in my dotage.

        So 1200 is the last I can manage sensibly, and that much did I enjoy greatly.

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        • G gaptangle@dragonscave.space

          @alexhaist At 1200 I was lost. I got the sense with a Braille display and some gnawing I might have been able to figure out some of that one, but that's probably where it would have ended.

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          @Gaptangle oh wow! I was thoroughly lost by then.

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          • danmccullough@ecoevo.socialD danmccullough@ecoevo.social

            @alexhaist This will be great fun to read in the blizzard tomorrow. Thanks!

            Oh, and “for neuer in al my lyf hadde I beholden so foule a creature.”

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            @danmccullough I wish you much joy of it! I love this sort of historical linguistic stroll.

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            • alexhaist@wandering.shopA alexhaist@wandering.shop

              @Gaptangle oh wow! I was thoroughly lost by then.

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              @alexhaist At one point I had learned a chunk of German and a tiny bit of French, and don't recall enough of either now to have a conversation but some of the old structure is still sitting rusty in my brain. Comparing all of them and recognizing sources of phrasing or spelling can help with that if I have the Braille. Screenreaders of course with their modern English pronunciation rules wreck it all lol.

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              • alexhaist@wandering.shopA alexhaist@wandering.shop

                This is delightful fun: how far back in time can you understand English?

                In a fictional travel blog, the author writes about their experience in a small town, jumping back 100 years of English each entry.

                https://www.deadlanguagesociety.com/p/how-far-back-in-time-understand-english

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                #14

                @alexhaist by 1600 I'm reading aloud out of necessity.
                By 1300 I'm struggling.
                1200 I can get the gist of with the help of my linguistics degree.
                Past that it's all just German to me.

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                • dgold@goblin.technologyD dgold@goblin.technology

                  @alexhaist

                  Allas! I scholde neuer hauen icumen to þis toune of Wuluesfleete!

                  I know I should be able to read the 1100, and while finding I can read it aloud, the meaning of it has entirely escaped me in my dotage.

                  So 1200 is the last I can manage sensibly, and that much did I enjoy greatly.

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                  #15

                  @dgold @alexhaist Wuluesfleet.
                  Now I'm wondering where the f in wolf came from. A little extra efficiency of speech? A borrowing of the p from Latin lupus? Whatever it is, I'm charmed by the idea that the word wolf used to be onomatopoeia.

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                  • alexhaist@wandering.shopA alexhaist@wandering.shop

                    This is delightful fun: how far back in time can you understand English?

                    In a fictional travel blog, the author writes about their experience in a small town, jumping back 100 years of English each entry.

                    https://www.deadlanguagesociety.com/p/how-far-back-in-time-understand-english

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                    #16

                    @alexhaist
                    Thanks for posting! (I made it through 1400, with a smidgen of 1300’s.)

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                    • alexhaist@wandering.shopA alexhaist@wandering.shop

                      This is delightful fun: how far back in time can you understand English?

                      In a fictional travel blog, the author writes about their experience in a small town, jumping back 100 years of English each entry.

                      https://www.deadlanguagesociety.com/p/how-far-back-in-time-understand-english

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                      #17

                      @alexhaist I'm fine as far as 1300, but further back is opaque. I find that those last couple of centuries, 1300 and 1400, become vastly more accessible if (a) written in modern orthography and (b) read aloud.

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                      • alexhaist@wandering.shopA alexhaist@wandering.shop

                        This is delightful fun: how far back in time can you understand English?

                        In a fictional travel blog, the author writes about their experience in a small town, jumping back 100 years of English each entry.

                        https://www.deadlanguagesociety.com/p/how-far-back-in-time-understand-english

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                        #18

                        @alexhaist Wow. I barely read the 1500 text 😅

                        My boyfriend however, an English philologist, recognised all the things he learned at the university! 😂

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                        • alexhaist@wandering.shopA alexhaist@wandering.shop

                          This is delightful fun: how far back in time can you understand English?

                          In a fictional travel blog, the author writes about their experience in a small town, jumping back 100 years of English each entry.

                          https://www.deadlanguagesociety.com/p/how-far-back-in-time-understand-english

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                          #19

                          @alexhaist
                          1200 is more guessing than reading.
                          🧝 : "The languages of humans are many, and they change faster than a dragon flies."

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                          • alexhaist@wandering.shopA alexhaist@wandering.shop

                            I can read back to about 1400, but I used to be able to puzzle through middle English in my 20s.

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                            @alexhaist I was comfortable until 14/1300, but quickly zoned out around 12/1100 unless I was *really* focusing.

                            Caveat that I’m German/English bilingual with decades old linguistics studies behind me.

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