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I don’t know what was worse, Stack Overflow’s moderation system, which many IT communities find annoying, or AI killing the site 🤔 Both extremes seem bad for the open web….

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  • nixcraft@mastodon.socialN This user is from outside of this forum
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    #1

    I don’t know what was worse, Stack Overflow’s moderation system, which many IT communities find annoying, or AI killing the site 🤔 Both extremes seem bad for the open web…. I still think that we don’t need three chatbots controlling everything. I fear Wikipedia might be next. This is not good for the Internet

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    • nixcraft@mastodon.socialN nixcraft@mastodon.social

      I don’t know what was worse, Stack Overflow’s moderation system, which many IT communities find annoying, or AI killing the site 🤔 Both extremes seem bad for the open web…. I still think that we don’t need three chatbots controlling everything. I fear Wikipedia might be next. This is not good for the Internet

      bazkie@beige.partyB This user is from outside of this forum
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      #2

      @nixCraft seconded, very worried about wikipedia. for me that's the most important site on the internet

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      • nixcraft@mastodon.socialN nixcraft@mastodon.social

        I don’t know what was worse, Stack Overflow’s moderation system, which many IT communities find annoying, or AI killing the site 🤔 Both extremes seem bad for the open web…. I still think that we don’t need three chatbots controlling everything. I fear Wikipedia might be next. This is not good for the Internet

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        #3

        @nixCraft The web has already changed, half of the traffic is bot-generated, and even content is heavily AI-authored. Handcrafted stuff is slowly becoming a minority for a minority of users.

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        • nixcraft@mastodon.socialN nixcraft@mastodon.social

          I don’t know what was worse, Stack Overflow’s moderation system, which many IT communities find annoying, or AI killing the site 🤔 Both extremes seem bad for the open web…. I still think that we don’t need three chatbots controlling everything. I fear Wikipedia might be next. This is not good for the Internet

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          mrhcj@toot.community
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          @nixCraft It's a bit like blackberry, if you don't catch up to the competition you will end up 6ft under

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          • nixcraft@mastodon.socialN nixcraft@mastodon.social

            I don’t know what was worse, Stack Overflow’s moderation system, which many IT communities find annoying, or AI killing the site 🤔 Both extremes seem bad for the open web…. I still think that we don’t need three chatbots controlling everything. I fear Wikipedia might be next. This is not good for the Internet

            aemstuz@mastodon.com.plA This user is from outside of this forum
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            aemstuz@mastodon.com.pl
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            #5

            @nixCraft The problem is not even that technology changed (LLMs are not necessarily bad on their own) but that what we call AI is simply software running on someone else computer, where someone else means someone very rich.

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            • nixcraft@mastodon.socialN nixcraft@mastodon.social

              I don’t know what was worse, Stack Overflow’s moderation system, which many IT communities find annoying, or AI killing the site 🤔 Both extremes seem bad for the open web…. I still think that we don’t need three chatbots controlling everything. I fear Wikipedia might be next. This is not good for the Internet

              rusty@piaille.frR This user is from outside of this forum
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              @nixCraft I don't agree with that narrative. ChatGPT didn't kill Stackoverflow : managers of SO did.

              After ChatGPT launched, SO team decided that from now on, every question and answer on the site were going to be used to train a local LLM model. Everybody was angry at this, and everybody left. Including me.

              I posted questions and answers on SO for more than ten years. After that decision from the team, I just logged out for the first time in years and never came back.

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              • nixcraft@mastodon.socialN nixcraft@mastodon.social

                I don’t know what was worse, Stack Overflow’s moderation system, which many IT communities find annoying, or AI killing the site 🤔 Both extremes seem bad for the open web…. I still think that we don’t need three chatbots controlling everything. I fear Wikipedia might be next. This is not good for the Internet

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                ef@mastodon.bsd.cafe
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                #7

                @nixCraft stackoverflow and Wikipedia's raison d'être are very different. Fingers crossed for it still.

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                • nixcraft@mastodon.socialN nixcraft@mastodon.social

                  I don’t know what was worse, Stack Overflow’s moderation system, which many IT communities find annoying, or AI killing the site 🤔 Both extremes seem bad for the open web…. I still think that we don’t need three chatbots controlling everything. I fear Wikipedia might be next. This is not good for the Internet

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                  #8

                  @nixCraft features

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                  • nixcraft@mastodon.socialN nixcraft@mastodon.social

                    I don’t know what was worse, Stack Overflow’s moderation system, which many IT communities find annoying, or AI killing the site 🤔 Both extremes seem bad for the open web…. I still think that we don’t need three chatbots controlling everything. I fear Wikipedia might be next. This is not good for the Internet

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                    #9

                    @nixCraft

                    I still don't get why everyone is still carrying that false "AI killed Stackoverflow" framing?

                    Stackoverflow was slowing as most RTFM questions were already asked, so anyone able to search didn't have to ask a new one - AI just made the finding those answers ahead of time much more likely.

                    SO (and other SE sites) are simply down to a higher degree of real questions.

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                    • rusty@piaille.frR rusty@piaille.fr

                      @nixCraft I don't agree with that narrative. ChatGPT didn't kill Stackoverflow : managers of SO did.

                      After ChatGPT launched, SO team decided that from now on, every question and answer on the site were going to be used to train a local LLM model. Everybody was angry at this, and everybody left. Including me.

                      I posted questions and answers on SO for more than ten years. After that decision from the team, I just logged out for the first time in years and never came back.

                      nixcraft@mastodon.socialN This user is from outside of this forum
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                      @rusty that makes sense. Why would anyone provide free labour to build llm ?

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                      • nixcraft@mastodon.socialN nixcraft@mastodon.social

                        I don’t know what was worse, Stack Overflow’s moderation system, which many IT communities find annoying, or AI killing the site 🤔 Both extremes seem bad for the open web…. I still think that we don’t need three chatbots controlling everything. I fear Wikipedia might be next. This is not good for the Internet

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                        harrier17@mastodon.social
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                        #11

                        @nixCraft i think most people don't read Wikipedia even before GPTs. The site is mostly visited by people who care more about true facts than quick facts. And Wikipedia is the place for true facts. Without it, the Internet will be dead.

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                        • nixcraft@mastodon.socialN nixcraft@mastodon.social

                          I don’t know what was worse, Stack Overflow’s moderation system, which many IT communities find annoying, or AI killing the site 🤔 Both extremes seem bad for the open web…. I still think that we don’t need three chatbots controlling everything. I fear Wikipedia might be next. This is not good for the Internet

                          meaningfulbits@mastodon.socialM This user is from outside of this forum
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                          @nixCraft as long as #wikipedia stays open and free and sourced it wont go away. LLMs have just scraped all the novel data from Stack overflow and docs and there is no need for the question-answer-vote model anymore. A good chunk of people use Wikipedia because it's NOT an LLM.

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                          • nixcraft@mastodon.socialN nixcraft@mastodon.social

                            I don’t know what was worse, Stack Overflow’s moderation system, which many IT communities find annoying, or AI killing the site 🤔 Both extremes seem bad for the open web…. I still think that we don’t need three chatbots controlling everything. I fear Wikipedia might be next. This is not good for the Internet

                            freevolt24@mastodon.socialF This user is from outside of this forum
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                            #13

                            @nixCraft I don't think the same fate will strike Wikipedia. For one thing, people didn't generally form any fondness (or, if anything, did feel offended or unjust) with SO, so when people heard of an alternative tech, they might have thought "Screw that. I'm jumping ship" without thinking too deeply about topics like free internet. On the other hand, (I think) people generally see Wikipedia very favorably and easily associate it with free internet

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                            • freevolt24@mastodon.socialF freevolt24@mastodon.social

                              @nixCraft I don't think the same fate will strike Wikipedia. For one thing, people didn't generally form any fondness (or, if anything, did feel offended or unjust) with SO, so when people heard of an alternative tech, they might have thought "Screw that. I'm jumping ship" without thinking too deeply about topics like free internet. On the other hand, (I think) people generally see Wikipedia very favorably and easily associate it with free internet

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                              #14

                              @nixCraft so much so that, if it closes down, it'll be perceived as a real threat to internet collapse. I think that's one big reason why people think they should "protect" it, but not exactly SO. (And SO being a proprietary company is another big reason why the cases may not be the same.)

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                              • nixcraft@mastodon.socialN nixcraft@mastodon.social

                                I don’t know what was worse, Stack Overflow’s moderation system, which many IT communities find annoying, or AI killing the site 🤔 Both extremes seem bad for the open web…. I still think that we don’t need three chatbots controlling everything. I fear Wikipedia might be next. This is not good for the Internet

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                                n0tsure@mastodon.social
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                                @nixCraft Even Google Maps seems to become increasingly unreliable.

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                                  @brendan @nixCraft

                                  I can favourite this only once, but please feel it at least 10 times stronger.

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                                  • nixcraft@mastodon.socialN nixcraft@mastodon.social

                                    I don’t know what was worse, Stack Overflow’s moderation system, which many IT communities find annoying, or AI killing the site 🤔 Both extremes seem bad for the open web…. I still think that we don’t need three chatbots controlling everything. I fear Wikipedia might be next. This is not good for the Internet

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                                    goedelchen@mastodontech.de
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                                    #17

                                    @nixCraft Not exactly to your point. I'm just wonderening: Wouldn't the numbers before ChatGPT be exactly what to expect from a knowledgebase platform? As soon as there is a solid stock of answered question, the need to ask new questions diminishes.

                                    I created my account 12 years ago and asked exactly one question, but found many others already answered.

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                                    • rusty@piaille.frR rusty@piaille.fr

                                      @nixCraft I don't agree with that narrative. ChatGPT didn't kill Stackoverflow : managers of SO did.

                                      After ChatGPT launched, SO team decided that from now on, every question and answer on the site were going to be used to train a local LLM model. Everybody was angry at this, and everybody left. Including me.

                                      I posted questions and answers on SO for more than ten years. After that decision from the team, I just logged out for the first time in years and never came back.

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                                      f4grx@chaos.social
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                                      @rusty @nixCraft LLMs have scrapped everything anyways.

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                                      • nixcraft@mastodon.socialN nixcraft@mastodon.social

                                        I don’t know what was worse, Stack Overflow’s moderation system, which many IT communities find annoying, or AI killing the site 🤔 Both extremes seem bad for the open web…. I still think that we don’t need three chatbots controlling everything. I fear Wikipedia might be next. This is not good for the Internet

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                                        @nixCraft cant wait for that stinky bubble to crash

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                                        • nixcraft@mastodon.socialN nixcraft@mastodon.social

                                          I don’t know what was worse, Stack Overflow’s moderation system, which many IT communities find annoying, or AI killing the site 🤔 Both extremes seem bad for the open web…. I still think that we don’t need three chatbots controlling everything. I fear Wikipedia might be next. This is not good for the Internet

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                                          thefeditest@mastodon.social
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                                          #20

                                          @nixCraft

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