I'm glad that we're finally realizing that we need open source alternatives for the desktop and our apps, but can we also focus on mobile devices now?
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@Gina no - I assume all is great with MijnBureau and DAWO. The problem is that no one wants to deploy anything, no matter how great the solutions are.
@bert_hubert @Gina "Deploy it or the won't come"... sounds like a Bert blog post title
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I'm glad that we're finally realizing that we need open source alternatives for the desktop and our apps, but can we also focus on mobile devices now?
@Gina Government should simply stop creating iOS and Android apps and only create PWAs. Additionally, make a list of devices/OS combinations that do not undermine Dutch sovereignty. And, like @bert_hubert deploy, deploy, deploy. And cancel the slm-mga aka slm-maga
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I'm glad that we're finally realizing that we need open source alternatives for the desktop and our apps, but can we also focus on mobile devices now?
@Gina There are thankfully mobile options already. With GrapheneOS - you can even run a "closed off" google services api - to get chromecast working.
If you can do without chromecast - e/OS (with locked bootloader)- means netflix, banking apps etc. works fine.
Of all the apps I have tried only McDonalds app won't work on any of them
Jolla afaik runs the same - even though its not even Android. -
@Gina no - I assume all is great with MijnBureau and DAWO. The problem is that no one wants to deploy anything, no matter how great the solutions are.
@bert_hubert @Gina "no one get fired for using [insert big tech]"
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I'm glad that we're finally realizing that we need open source alternatives for the desktop and our apps, but can we also focus on mobile devices now?
It's ridiculous that we basically have two mobile 'options', both with restrictive, proprietary app stores (see also https://keepandroidopen.org/).
If Europe values digital sovereignty, then it needs to invest more in open hardware, open source OS's, and alternative app stores.
@Fairphone
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It's ridiculous that we basically have two mobile 'options', both with restrictive, proprietary app stores (see also https://keepandroidopen.org/).
If Europe values digital sovereignty, then it needs to invest more in open hardware, open source OS's, and alternative app stores.
@Fairphone
@LineageOS
@sailfishosnews
@ubports
@GrapheneOS
@postmarketOS
@e_mydata
@fdroidorg
@IzzyOnDroidPaging @EC_DIGIT and @EUCommission
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@bert_hubert @Gina "no one get fired for using [insert big tech]"
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Paging @EC_DIGIT and @EUCommission
There was a public consultation about open source recently - that means there may be an update in the EU open source strategy soon? Probably they are analysing results now…
https://digital-strategy.ec.europa.eu/en/news/commission-opens-call-evidence-open-source-digital-ecosystemsPS also follow @HennaVirkkunen for this kind of thing
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@bert_hubert @defuneste jup, this is essentially the core of gov IT strategy. Decreasing risk above all.
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There was a public consultation about open source recently - that means there may be an update in the EU open source strategy soon? Probably they are analysing results now…
https://digital-strategy.ec.europa.eu/en/news/commission-opens-call-evidence-open-source-digital-ecosystemsPS also follow @HennaVirkkunen for this kind of thing
@hpod16 @EC_DIGIT @EUCommission
True, we were one of many many orgs and people that provided input. It should be mentioned that we're very impressed with how proactive the European Commission has been so far when it comes to their open source strategy. But mobile seems a forgotten area (for us at a national level as well). Big fan of @HennaVirkkunen btw! -
@bert_hubert @defuneste jup, this is essentially the core of gov IT strategy. Decreasing risk above all.
@Gina @bert_hubert @defuneste If that's the strategy, they're awfully quiet about it. The prime minister and/or @stasdigi and/or @staatssecretarisbzk should be announcing the migration strategy. Now is also a great time for them to urge local government to write migration plans into the new municipal coalition plans.
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It's ridiculous that we basically have two mobile 'options', both with restrictive, proprietary app stores (see also https://keepandroidopen.org/).
If Europe values digital sovereignty, then it needs to invest more in open hardware, open source OS's, and alternative app stores.
@Fairphone
@LineageOS
@sailfishosnews
@ubports
@GrapheneOS
@postmarketOS
@e_mydata
@fdroidorg
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@Gina @bert_hubert @defuneste If that's the strategy, they're awfully quiet about it. The prime minister and/or @stasdigi and/or @staatssecretarisbzk should be announcing the migration strategy. Now is also a great time for them to urge local government to write migration plans into the new municipal coalition plans.
@codo @Gina @bert_hubert @stasdigi @staatssecretarisbzk
I am not smart enough to get the strategy but for an "IT make it works pov", introducing one new stuff at a time is usually a good bet to have some "buy in".
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@bert_hubert @defuneste jup, this is essentially the core of gov IT strategy. Decreasing risk above all.
@Gina @bert_hubert @defuneste That all makes sense, but then why are there some seemingly obvious huge IT risks that governments seem not to notice? I’m thinking of the Dutch toeslagenaffaire, which is currently being repeated in France.
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@alloalli @Fairphone @LineageOS @sailfishosnews @ubports @GrapheneOS @postmarketOS @e_mydata @fdroidorg @IzzyOnDroid @jolla @murena Oops, added Murena. Thanks!
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@Gina @bert_hubert @defuneste That all makes sense, but then why are there some seemingly obvious huge IT risks that governments seem not to notice? I’m thinking of the Dutch toeslagenaffaire, which is currently being repeated in France.
@benjamingeer @bert_hubert @defuneste Because we don't have enough internal IT compentence in government. We need to hire more techies.
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It's ridiculous that we basically have two mobile 'options', both with restrictive, proprietary app stores (see also https://keepandroidopen.org/).
If Europe values digital sovereignty, then it needs to invest more in open hardware, open source OS's, and alternative app stores.
@Fairphone
@LineageOS
@sailfishosnews
@ubports
@GrapheneOS
@postmarketOS
@e_mydata
@fdroidorg
@IzzyOnDroid -
@Gina Yes! Still looking forward to the day when I can install a Linux or BSD distro on *any* phone without any hassle
@simonjust @Gina You can't do that with *any* mobile OS, open or not, and you absolutely certainly still won't for a good while. It's not a good goal to target.
You can already use it on specific well-supported devices, or work on supporting other specific devices well. That's how you can make a tangible difference today.
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@simonjust @Gina You can't do that with *any* mobile OS, open or not, and you absolutely certainly still won't for a good while. It's not a good goal to target.
You can already use it on specific well-supported devices, or work on supporting other specific devices well. That's how you can make a tangible difference today.
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I'm glad that we're finally realizing that we need open source alternatives for the desktop and our apps, but can we also focus on mobile devices now?
@Gina there is only 1 EU desktop OS and it's on the verse to be selled SUSE.
so in desktop we don't have much either.
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