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  3. Aside from the war crime of attacking survivors of a shipwreck, we must now add the war crime of perfidy.

Aside from the war crime of attacking survivors of a shipwreck, we must now add the war crime of perfidy.

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  • mattblaze@federate.socialM mattblaze@federate.social

    Aside from the war crime of attacking survivors of a shipwreck, we must now add the war crime of perfidy.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2026/01/12/us/politics/us-boat-attacks-law.html?unlocked_article_code=1.EFA.7xgP.qIPINOLUNg8W [gift link]

    Perfidy is considered a serious crime in war because, among other things, using civilian cover for offensive missions casts suspicion on all civilians in the theatre, putting non-combatants at risk.

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    #4

    @mattblaze All the officers in that chain of command know the law. They know that was illegal.

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    • mattblaze@federate.socialM mattblaze@federate.social

      Aside from the war crime of attacking survivors of a shipwreck, we must now add the war crime of perfidy.

      https://www.nytimes.com/2026/01/12/us/politics/us-boat-attacks-law.html?unlocked_article_code=1.EFA.7xgP.qIPINOLUNg8W [gift link]

      Perfidy is considered a serious crime in war because, among other things, using civilian cover for offensive missions casts suspicion on all civilians in the theatre, putting non-combatants at risk.

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      #5

      @mattblaze historically, the penalty for anyone caught in the act of perfidy is summary execution

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      • mattblaze@federate.socialM mattblaze@federate.social

        Aside from the war crime of attacking survivors of a shipwreck, we must now add the war crime of perfidy.

        https://www.nytimes.com/2026/01/12/us/politics/us-boat-attacks-law.html?unlocked_article_code=1.EFA.7xgP.qIPINOLUNg8W [gift link]

        Perfidy is considered a serious crime in war because, among other things, using civilian cover for offensive missions casts suspicion on all civilians in the theatre, putting non-combatants at risk.

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        #6

        @mattblaze I feel like ICE impersonating utility workers probably falls under this heading, too?

        re: https://masto.ai/@GhostOnTheHalfShell/115877308170415789

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        • mattblaze@federate.socialM mattblaze@federate.social

          Aside from the war crime of attacking survivors of a shipwreck, we must now add the war crime of perfidy.

          https://www.nytimes.com/2026/01/12/us/politics/us-boat-attacks-law.html?unlocked_article_code=1.EFA.7xgP.qIPINOLUNg8W [gift link]

          Perfidy is considered a serious crime in war because, among other things, using civilian cover for offensive missions casts suspicion on all civilians in the theatre, putting non-combatants at risk.

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          #7

          @mattblaze It's a heinous crime, but I also can't get over how stupid it is. All of that for a fishing boat?

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          • mattblaze@federate.socialM mattblaze@federate.social

            Aside from the war crime of attacking survivors of a shipwreck, we must now add the war crime of perfidy.

            https://www.nytimes.com/2026/01/12/us/politics/us-boat-attacks-law.html?unlocked_article_code=1.EFA.7xgP.qIPINOLUNg8W [gift link]

            Perfidy is considered a serious crime in war because, among other things, using civilian cover for offensive missions casts suspicion on all civilians in the theatre, putting non-combatants at risk.

            mattblaze@federate.socialM This user is from outside of this forum
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            #8

            The irony is that the only person the Pentagon is trying to hold to account here is the retired astronaut and war hero who said that illegal orders like this shouldn't be followed.

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            • mattblaze@federate.socialM mattblaze@federate.social

              The irony is that the only person the Pentagon is trying to hold to account here is the retired astronaut and war hero who said that illegal orders like this shouldn't be followed.

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              #9
              @mattblaze@federate.social It's not irony, it's a travesty.
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              • mattblaze@federate.socialM mattblaze@federate.social

                The irony is that the only person the Pentagon is trying to hold to account here is the retired astronaut and war hero who said that illegal orders like this shouldn't be followed.

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                #10

                @mattblaze so so so many unexplored ironies of this circus.

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                • mattblaze@federate.socialM mattblaze@federate.social

                  Aside from the war crime of attacking survivors of a shipwreck, we must now add the war crime of perfidy.

                  https://www.nytimes.com/2026/01/12/us/politics/us-boat-attacks-law.html?unlocked_article_code=1.EFA.7xgP.qIPINOLUNg8W [gift link]

                  Perfidy is considered a serious crime in war because, among other things, using civilian cover for offensive missions casts suspicion on all civilians in the theatre, putting non-combatants at risk.

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                  #11

                  @mattblaze Not sure if this technically qualifies as perfidy because that might apply only to warfare (the possibly erroneous impression I got from the Wikipedia page). While I wouldn't want low level people punished because they couldn't afford to have a lawyer on retainer, people higher in the chain of command are a different story. Let's have a full investigation, particularly of Hegseth, and forward all the evidence to the ICC. A Trump pardon doesn't apply outside the U.S.

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                  • mattblaze@federate.socialM mattblaze@federate.social

                    Aside from the war crime of attacking survivors of a shipwreck, we must now add the war crime of perfidy.

                    https://www.nytimes.com/2026/01/12/us/politics/us-boat-attacks-law.html?unlocked_article_code=1.EFA.7xgP.qIPINOLUNg8W [gift link]

                    Perfidy is considered a serious crime in war because, among other things, using civilian cover for offensive missions casts suspicion on all civilians in the theatre, putting non-combatants at risk.

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                    #12

                    @mattblaze

                    There's really no excuse for this, some teenage dudes on a boat have no fucking chance whatsofuckingever against any kind of military aircraft.

                    At best they could have an RPG launcher, which I'm sure the aircraft could foil easily with countermeasures.

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                    • bzdev@fosstodon.orgB bzdev@fosstodon.org

                      @mattblaze Not sure if this technically qualifies as perfidy because that might apply only to warfare (the possibly erroneous impression I got from the Wikipedia page). While I wouldn't want low level people punished because they couldn't afford to have a lawyer on retainer, people higher in the chain of command are a different story. Let's have a full investigation, particularly of Hegseth, and forward all the evidence to the ICC. A Trump pardon doesn't apply outside the U.S.

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                      #13

                      @mattblaze One complication: they could have used a civilian-painted, slow aircraft as a "spotter" and a fighter jet for the attack. So how does perfidy work in that case?

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                      • btaroli@federate.socialB btaroli@federate.social

                        @mattblaze so so so many unexplored ironies of this circus.

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                        #14

                        @btaroli @mattblaze

                        and Jerome Powell turns out to be the mouse that roared.....

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                        • mattblaze@federate.socialM mattblaze@federate.social

                          Aside from the war crime of attacking survivors of a shipwreck, we must now add the war crime of perfidy.

                          https://www.nytimes.com/2026/01/12/us/politics/us-boat-attacks-law.html?unlocked_article_code=1.EFA.7xgP.qIPINOLUNg8W [gift link]

                          Perfidy is considered a serious crime in war because, among other things, using civilian cover for offensive missions casts suspicion on all civilians in the theatre, putting non-combatants at risk.

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                          #15

                          @mattblaze

                          If it's not war, it can't be perfidy.
                          Murder, straight up then.

                          So, ignorance of perfidy may be his best defense.

                          Didn't our Fox Weekend genius fire all the the top lawyers at Defense?

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                          • mattblaze@federate.socialM mattblaze@federate.social

                            Aside from the war crime of attacking survivors of a shipwreck, we must now add the war crime of perfidy.

                            https://www.nytimes.com/2026/01/12/us/politics/us-boat-attacks-law.html?unlocked_article_code=1.EFA.7xgP.qIPINOLUNg8W [gift link]

                            Perfidy is considered a serious crime in war because, among other things, using civilian cover for offensive missions casts suspicion on all civilians in the theatre, putting non-combatants at risk.

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                            #16

                            @mattblaze as if mobsters cared about civillians, look at what Russian criminals do. They could hit some 5 storey with a ballistic missiles because of crappy CEP and claim there was a NATO base. It was a week ago in my city

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                            • mattblaze@federate.socialM mattblaze@federate.social

                              Aside from the war crime of attacking survivors of a shipwreck, we must now add the war crime of perfidy.

                              https://www.nytimes.com/2026/01/12/us/politics/us-boat-attacks-law.html?unlocked_article_code=1.EFA.7xgP.qIPINOLUNg8W [gift link]

                              Perfidy is considered a serious crime in war because, among other things, using civilian cover for offensive missions casts suspicion on all civilians in the theatre, putting non-combatants at risk.

                              fedithing@social.chinwag.orgF This user is from outside of this forum
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                              #17

                              @mattblaze

                              Where is this spin coming from that any of these were war crimes?

                              Surely all these strikes were simply mass murders?

                              -There was no war going on
                              -The boats were civilian
                              -The people on the boats were civilian
                              -They were in international waters
                              -They presented no threat to anyone
                              -There has been no evidence presented against any of the murdered people
                              -All of the survivors who were arrested by US forces were quickly released without charge (strongly suggesting no sealed evidence)

                              ...why are people focusing just on potential "war crimes" by Hegseth?

                              *ALL* of these strikes were murders by Trump, he ordered all of them.

                              fedithing@social.chinwag.orgF neuimneuland@mastodon.socialN mattblaze@federate.socialM 3 Replies Last reply
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                              • mattblaze@federate.socialM mattblaze@federate.social

                                Aside from the war crime of attacking survivors of a shipwreck, we must now add the war crime of perfidy.

                                https://www.nytimes.com/2026/01/12/us/politics/us-boat-attacks-law.html?unlocked_article_code=1.EFA.7xgP.qIPINOLUNg8W [gift link]

                                Perfidy is considered a serious crime in war because, among other things, using civilian cover for offensive missions casts suspicion on all civilians in the theatre, putting non-combatants at risk.

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                                #18

                                @mattblaze It's almost like this administration doesn't care about what words mean.

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                                • fedithing@social.chinwag.orgF fedithing@social.chinwag.org

                                  @mattblaze

                                  Where is this spin coming from that any of these were war crimes?

                                  Surely all these strikes were simply mass murders?

                                  -There was no war going on
                                  -The boats were civilian
                                  -The people on the boats were civilian
                                  -They were in international waters
                                  -They presented no threat to anyone
                                  -There has been no evidence presented against any of the murdered people
                                  -All of the survivors who were arrested by US forces were quickly released without charge (strongly suggesting no sealed evidence)

                                  ...why are people focusing just on potential "war crimes" by Hegseth?

                                  *ALL* of these strikes were murders by Trump, he ordered all of them.

                                  fedithing@social.chinwag.orgF This user is from outside of this forum
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                                  #19

                                  @mattblaze

                                  p.s. Almost makes one wonder if this "was it a war crime?" spin is coming from the White House itself. Casting it as an act of war and focusing on a tiny percentage of the strikes lets Trump off the hook for ordering the strikes in the first place, and turns Hegseth into a scapegoat, protecting Trump.

                                  Trump is a mass murderer, he ordered the deaths of innocent civilians on civilian boats in a time of peace without any reason or evidence.

                                  Why is the media in denial about this? Why are they so eager to cover up murder?

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                                  • fedithing@social.chinwag.orgF fedithing@social.chinwag.org

                                    @mattblaze

                                    Where is this spin coming from that any of these were war crimes?

                                    Surely all these strikes were simply mass murders?

                                    -There was no war going on
                                    -The boats were civilian
                                    -The people on the boats were civilian
                                    -They were in international waters
                                    -They presented no threat to anyone
                                    -There has been no evidence presented against any of the murdered people
                                    -All of the survivors who were arrested by US forces were quickly released without charge (strongly suggesting no sealed evidence)

                                    ...why are people focusing just on potential "war crimes" by Hegseth?

                                    *ALL* of these strikes were murders by Trump, he ordered all of them.

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                                    #20

                                    @FediThing @mattblaze Wasn't this terrorism?

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                                    • neuimneuland@mastodon.socialN neuimneuland@mastodon.social

                                      @FediThing @mattblaze Wasn't this terrorism?

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                                      #21

                                      @neuimneuland

                                      Terrorism by whom?

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                                      • fedithing@social.chinwag.orgF fedithing@social.chinwag.org

                                        @mattblaze

                                        Where is this spin coming from that any of these were war crimes?

                                        Surely all these strikes were simply mass murders?

                                        -There was no war going on
                                        -The boats were civilian
                                        -The people on the boats were civilian
                                        -They were in international waters
                                        -They presented no threat to anyone
                                        -There has been no evidence presented against any of the murdered people
                                        -All of the survivors who were arrested by US forces were quickly released without charge (strongly suggesting no sealed evidence)

                                        ...why are people focusing just on potential "war crimes" by Hegseth?

                                        *ALL* of these strikes were murders by Trump, he ordered all of them.

                                        mattblaze@federate.socialM This user is from outside of this forum
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                                        #22

                                        @FediThing That’s the problem for the administration here. If this was a military conflict, they violated the laws of war. If it wasn’t, it violated international law in other ways. Either way, it was criminal.

                                        The article I linked to explains this in some detail.

                                        fedithing@social.chinwag.orgF m0rpk@mastodon.radioM 2 Replies Last reply
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                                        • mattblaze@federate.socialM mattblaze@federate.social

                                          Aside from the war crime of attacking survivors of a shipwreck, we must now add the war crime of perfidy.

                                          https://www.nytimes.com/2026/01/12/us/politics/us-boat-attacks-law.html?unlocked_article_code=1.EFA.7xgP.qIPINOLUNg8W [gift link]

                                          Perfidy is considered a serious crime in war because, among other things, using civilian cover for offensive missions casts suspicion on all civilians in the theatre, putting non-combatants at risk.

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                                          #23

                                          @mattblaze Doesn't there have to be a war to have a war crime? This appears to be old school piracy and murder in the service of larger goals of imperialism.

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