They pay $34 for burgers.
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They pay $34 for burgers. Should their fire department service be free? Opening a new fire department in one of NYC's richest neighborhoods has some of America's pettiest journalists asking silly questions in headlines again.
The article acknowledges the fire department analogy, then blows past it.
️The solve for "Sometimes when a service like free childcare is available to all, marginalized communities get squeezed out," is "Address that racism."
It's not "Therefore waste incredible amounts of time and money trying to means test something that society should just make available to all.
"Also the 3s program here requires applying for a list of schools and seeing which one you match with. We only applied to the 2 closest to us (we like the private one we're in enough to just stay in it instead if we need to commute for school) but some people will apply to a lot of them to get a seat.
This means that kids end up in the same class as others from different backgrounds which is a huge benefit that is not available in regular private daycares/preschools.
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@realtegan @mekkaokereke Sigh. I really hate the mindset of “what if someone undeserving benefits.”
So what? Especially when it involves children.
@CStamp @realtegan @mekkaokereke
Most American thing is making 100 people suffer to avoid 1 freeloader.
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They pay $34 for burgers. Should their fire department service be free? Opening a new fire department in one of NYC's richest neighborhoods has some of America's pettiest journalists asking silly questions in headlines again.
The article acknowledges the fire department analogy, then blows past it.
️The solve for "Sometimes when a service like free childcare is available to all, marginalized communities get squeezed out," is "Address that racism."
It's not "Therefore waste incredible amounts of time and money trying to means test something that society should just make available to all.
"@mekkaokereke I wonder if they'll ever contextualize the region though, you look at Walland, TN, folks look rich as hell until you take out Blackberry Farms.
Like, yea, Eric Prince owns property up that way, but my cousin Randy who sells lumber to subsidize his disability does to, and the district schools can still only afford to teach abstinenve sex-ed taught by a guy who claims to be a "born again virgin" -
@mekkaokereke
When school lunch programs throw out the "who deserves to get free lunches?" and just provide for every child, the entire program is cheaper due to the lack of an enforcement layer, all children get fed, and children learn more and pay attention better.Being overly concerned that someone might get something they don't "deserve" usually ends up screwing over the ones who need help most.
We're supposed to "promote the general welfare" of the public - not gate-keep who gets help.
@realtegan @mekkaokereke As a kid who was constantly on the line, like, maybe we made enough on paper not to qualify for free lunch, but damn sure nobody was handing me $0.85 a day, I am a strong proponent of just feed the kids if they're fucking hungry.
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@realtegan @blainecross @mekkaokereke
it's one of the cheapest and most humane ways to raise graduation rates & test scores, lower absenteeism.
if someone is all bent about "someone taking advantage of free school meals", that tells me more about that person than about problems with the program.
@paul_ipv6 @realtegan @blainecross @mekkaokereke Is there really anything more important on earth than feeding and nurturing our children? Should anyone really care about what it costs? Aren't they all our children, and therefore our future as a species? Never mind whether they're genetically related to us or not, are they not still ours in the most fundamental sense imaginable? What is wrong with these people who only see in them something to constrain, deprive and punish?
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@realtegan @mekkaokereke Free school lunches for all is what Democrats and Gov. Walz did in Minnesota.
@blainecross @realtegan @mekkaokereke
There are still artificial limits to school meals here in Minnesota - kids can't get extra milk or another serving without paying for it.
What has been done is good, but not yet what it should be.
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And then there's the question of how "food" and "lunch" are defined.
I was a gradeschooler in the early-mid '80s, in a rich-to-very-rich suburban U.S. school district. The lunches – not free – were high in processed fat, white starch, sugar, salt, and additives. Hamburgers with a bunch of filler; hot dogs, gas station-spec nachos, "french bread pizza", chikkin nuggets, dubious cheese, boiled-to-death canned vegetables, sugary canned fruit cocktail, etc. Filled up my belly (and enlarged it), but nutrition? LOLnope. I'm sure they've only got worse in the United States of Ketchup Counts As A Vegetable. Oh yeah, they also offered a "brown bag special" at lower cost, which was a couple slices of questionable bologna and a square of plastic cheez with imitation mayonnaise, on white bread.
Compare that slop to this what they somehow manage to do in Japan: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ITzRFAfJsLA
As I recall, back then school lunches were a dumping ground for American food companies to get rid of excess products so they could claim a tax break while foisting that crap on our still developing children.
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As I recall, back then school lunches were a dumping ground for American food companies to get rid of excess products so they could claim a tax break while foisting that crap on our still developing children.
@rickf I don't closely follow, but I don't imagine it's any better now.
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@realtegan @blainecross @mekkaokereke
it's one of the cheapest and most humane ways to raise graduation rates & test scores, lower absenteeism.
if someone is all bent about "someone taking advantage of free school meals", that tells me more about that person than about problems with the program.
Well, sure, but that would threaten the productivity of the school-to-prison pipeline.
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They pay $34 for burgers. Should their fire department service be free? Opening a new fire department in one of NYC's richest neighborhoods has some of America's pettiest journalists asking silly questions in headlines again.
The article acknowledges the fire department analogy, then blows past it.
️The solve for "Sometimes when a service like free childcare is available to all, marginalized communities get squeezed out," is "Address that racism."
It's not "Therefore waste incredible amounts of time and money trying to means test something that society should just make available to all.
"@mekkaokereke Mean tests is just a way to deny a social safety net
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@CStamp @realtegan @mekkaokereke
Most American thing is making 100 people suffer to avoid 1 freeloader.
@gbargoud But what if the wrong children get to eat? @CStamp @realtegan @mekkaokereke
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@CStamp @realtegan @mekkaokereke
Most American thing is making 100 people suffer to avoid 1 freeloader.
@gbargoud @CStamp @realtegan @mekkaokereke More like making 10,000 people suffer to create one millionaire and blaming it on the 100 "freeloaders".
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@paul_ipv6 @realtegan @blainecross @mekkaokereke Is there really anything more important on earth than feeding and nurturing our children? Should anyone really care about what it costs? Aren't they all our children, and therefore our future as a species? Never mind whether they're genetically related to us or not, are they not still ours in the most fundamental sense imaginable? What is wrong with these people who only see in them something to constrain, deprive and punish?
@Canevecchio this is why I marvel every year at the brass ones on the conservative asshole who managed to get “Education” as a separate line item on everybody’s property tax statement. Like, sure, that breakdown of where the town’s taxes go is public information, but calling out how much it costs to teach and care for children like that is such a transparently shitty thing.
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@gbargoud But what if the wrong children get to eat? @CStamp @realtegan @mekkaokereke
@Thad @gbargoud @CStamp @realtegan @mekkaokereke This whole discussion is so silly because any perceived problem is easily solved in 2 simple steps: 1) Feed ALL the kids. 2) Tax the rich so they pay their fair share of the program's total cost. Was that hard?
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@mekkaokereke Mean tests is just a way to deny a social safety net
@hugoestr @mekkaokereke if it didn’t have holes it would be a social safety blanket!
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@Thad @gbargoud @CStamp @realtegan @mekkaokereke This whole discussion is so silly because any perceived problem is easily solved in 2 simple steps: 1) Feed ALL the kids. 2) Tax the rich so they pay their fair share of the program's total cost. Was that hard?
@Thad @gbargoud @CStamp @realtegan @mekkaokereke And of course, the same principle applies to healthcare, child care, etc., etc. Not complicated with 10 seconds of thought.
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@Thad @gbargoud @CStamp @realtegan @mekkaokereke And of course, the same principle applies to healthcare, child care, etc., etc. Not complicated with 10 seconds of thought.
@BruceMirken @Thad @gbargoud @realtegan @mekkaokereke Seems so logical.
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@CStamp @realtegan @mekkaokereke
Most American thing is making 100 people suffer to avoid 1 freeloader.
That's about 1/3 of the country on the far right. It's not everyone. 1/3 on the left would say let's feed all the kids in case one is hungry. And the 1/3 in the middle vascillate.
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They pay $34 for burgers. Should their fire department service be free? Opening a new fire department in one of NYC's richest neighborhoods has some of America's pettiest journalists asking silly questions in headlines again.
The article acknowledges the fire department analogy, then blows past it.
️The solve for "Sometimes when a service like free childcare is available to all, marginalized communities get squeezed out," is "Address that racism."
It's not "Therefore waste incredible amounts of time and money trying to means test something that society should just make available to all.
"@mekkaokereke "Sometimes when a service like free childcare is available to all, marginalized communities get squeezed out,"
reminds me of "[when we build 15-minute towns, people want to move there and prices go up – therefore 15-minute towns are only for the wealthy and an inherently discriminatory idea]" -
As I recall, back then school lunches were a dumping ground for American food companies to get rid of excess products so they could claim a tax break while foisting that crap on our still developing children.
