Keep these monstrosities off our roads 🙅♂️
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The Netherlands already taxes cars at sale according to their weight and carbon emissions. I think the annual road tax also goes up with weight.
About a decade ago I looked up the taxes for an Audi Q5: they were about € 20,000 at sale. You see very few of those on Dutch roads.
I expect other EU countries to have similar tax codes.
@CelloMomOnCars @ghard @fj That's true, but the rate of increase isn't nearly steep enough.
As I said, damage to the road scales with the fourth power of the vehicle weight, so if the fair tax on a vehicle weighing one ton is $100, then the fair tax on a vehicle weighing four tons should be $100,000,000.
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Keep these monstrosities off our roads
️"US carmakers have accused Brussels of keeping their largest pick-up trucks, including the Ford F-150, the Chevy Silverado and the Ram 1500, off European roads”
https://www.ft.com/content/3eb796fd-bcdb-4a9f-89b7-f7d5e692a3cd
@fj I wonder why
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@fj I strongly feel that vehicles should be taxed by unladen weight. The damage to roads -- which has to be met out of the public purse -- scales with the fourth power of the axle loading, and the tax should scale similarly.
It would be tricky to frame legislation which outlawed very large and heavy private vehicles which would not also outlaw fire engines, for example; but it wouldn't hurt to tax them into oblivion.
@simon_brooke @fj look at the Dutch car roadtax per weight group+fuel type. I think that is pretty much what you mean.
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@fj why not let people decide if they want such a large vehicle or not?
Not everything is a matter of want. I.e. we tend to not let people decide whether they want to kill children with blunt objects.
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@reloadedhead I considered that and decided that the likelihood of your question being in good faith is not very high.
@tkissing I was genuinely asking. Still not a reason to go full ballistic, but that’s just my point of view.
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@Sir_Osis_of_Liver @Quantensalat @fj We have only the F150 in Europe, and even this one is not small by any metric, but it still manageable for everyday use.
I have an F150 Lightning EV and a VW Touareg TDI.
If I lived in a European city, I wouldn't have either. The Lightning in particular would just be a pain to live with there.
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@tkissing I was genuinely asking. Still not a reason to go full ballistic, but that’s just my point of view.
@reloadedhead
"Why not let people decide if they want a giant car?"
"Why not let people decide if they want to wear a mask when shipping during a pandemic?"If you want to ask good faith questions and get polite answers, try sounding different from assholes who very loudly put their personal comfort over the health and life of others for the past ~6 years.
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Keep these monstrosities off our roads
️"US carmakers have accused Brussels of keeping their largest pick-up trucks, including the Ford F-150, the Chevy Silverado and the Ram 1500, off European roads”
https://www.ft.com/content/3eb796fd-bcdb-4a9f-89b7-f7d5e692a3cd
Good. I wish they'd keep them off our roads. Those things should be reserved for work just as semis are. In my opinion anybody who uses them for basic transportation should seek professional help.
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@CelloMomOnCars @ghard @fj That's true, but the rate of increase isn't nearly steep enough.
As I said, damage to the road scales with the fourth power of the vehicle weight, so if the fair tax on a vehicle weighing one ton is $100, then the fair tax on a vehicle weighing four tons should be $100,000,000.
@simon_brooke @CelloMomOnCars @fj I’m afraid such tax would also disincentivise EVs, as even the small ones would weigh considerably more than similar size internal combustion engine models. All the externalities should be accounted for.
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Keep these monstrosities off our roads
️"US carmakers have accused Brussels of keeping their largest pick-up trucks, including the Ford F-150, the Chevy Silverado and the Ram 1500, off European roads”
https://www.ft.com/content/3eb796fd-bcdb-4a9f-89b7-f7d5e692a3cd
@fj they're so dangerous. Part of this arms-race of "protecting ourselves on the road to the risk of everyone else." Their high center of gravity and sense of overconfidence is terrible for snowy conditions, and their enormous hoods make blindspots where even people in my neighborhood got killed by one of these things talking a turn and not seeing pedestrians.
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@reloadedhead
"Why not let people decide if they want a giant car?"
"Why not let people decide if they want to wear a mask when shipping during a pandemic?"If you want to ask good faith questions and get polite answers, try sounding different from assholes who very loudly put their personal comfort over the health and life of others for the past ~6 years.
@tkissing I expect polite answers because I think respect is something everyone should be granted, regardless if we agree or not. It is very easy to not insult people just because.
I don’t own such a truck and I don’t even want to. I’ve never hurt anyone in any way or form. So I don’t know why you are being this aggressive. But you do you.
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@fj Id much rather have Japanese Kei cars on our roads.
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@fj I've been looking at cars recently, and I've decided to not get a Kia EV9 because it's too large to fit in normal parking spaces. The EV9 is 5 m, and this abomination is 6.35 m?! That's just bizzare.
@mikaeleiman @fj thats why I like my Polestar 2 so much. 4,6m is shorter than most competitors, still ride is perfect and the width is also on the narrow side. The EV9 window line is above my roof 🫣
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Keep these monstrosities off our roads
️"US carmakers have accused Brussels of keeping their largest pick-up trucks, including the Ford F-150, the Chevy Silverado and the Ram 1500, off European roads”
https://www.ft.com/content/3eb796fd-bcdb-4a9f-89b7-f7d5e692a3cd
Especially after what the US (and Israel) have caused to the oil price...it's time to encrease public transportation and efficient electric small and medium sized cars....(small and medium by european standards !)
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@mikaeleiman @fj thats why I like my Polestar 2 so much. 4,6m is shorter than most competitors, still ride is perfect and the width is also on the narrow side. The EV9 window line is above my roof 🫣
@disco3000 if only someone made a not-huge seven seat car… Sigh.
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Keep these monstrosities off our roads
️"US carmakers have accused Brussels of keeping their largest pick-up trucks, including the Ford F-150, the Chevy Silverado and the Ram 1500, off European roads”
https://www.ft.com/content/3eb796fd-bcdb-4a9f-89b7-f7d5e692a3cd
@fj around here only preppers, nazis and hill-billies are driving pickup trucks. And of course farmers
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@tkissing I expect polite answers because I think respect is something everyone should be granted, regardless if we agree or not. It is very easy to not insult people just because.
I don’t own such a truck and I don’t even want to. I’ve never hurt anyone in any way or form. So I don’t know why you are being this aggressive. But you do you.
@reloadedhead unfortunately the attitude of presuming the worst and attacking people in unacceptable manner on that presumption is common around here.
We need to find collective ways to calm those people down as they poison the Commons with their insensitivity. Moderators are apparently not up to the task.
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Keep these monstrosities off our roads
️"US carmakers have accused Brussels of keeping their largest pick-up trucks, including the Ford F-150, the Chevy Silverado and the Ram 1500, off European roads”
https://www.ft.com/content/3eb796fd-bcdb-4a9f-89b7-f7d5e692a3cd
@fj because they are huge heavy gas guzzling tanks and peeps are buying EVs as they cost less to run. 'MURICA! are going backwards in the car market and wondering why they are not selling.
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Keep these monstrosities off our roads
️"US carmakers have accused Brussels of keeping their largest pick-up trucks, including the Ford F-150, the Chevy Silverado and the Ram 1500, off European roads”
https://www.ft.com/content/3eb796fd-bcdb-4a9f-89b7-f7d5e692a3cd
@fj I really wish we could have an area tax: bigger vehicles take up more room and increase traffic.
