Bose recently did an unambiguously good thing, by publishing the API for the audio hardware they were originally going to brick: https://www.theverge.com/news/858501/bose-soundtouch-smart-speakers-open-source
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Bose recently did an unambiguously good thing, by publishing the API for the audio hardware they were originally going to brick: https://www.theverge.com/news/858501/bose-soundtouch-smart-speakers-open-source
However, I've seen some people say "don't praise Bose for this, they didn't do this until there was backlash".
SHUT UP. Shut the FUCK UP. I'm DONE living in a society where you get dragged through hell if you make a mistake, EVEN AFTER YOU CORRECT THE MISTAKE. I'm so fucking tired of hearing stupid excuses for this kind of puritanism like "they should've known better" NOBODY KNOWS BETTER UNTIL *AFTER THEY MAKE THE MISTAKE*. THAT'S HOW LEARNING *WORKS*.
And before you say "Companies aren't your friend" PUNISHING THEM FOR FIXING THEIR MISTAKES WON'T MAKE THEM DO THE RIGHT THING EITHER. If other people, or companies, see someone get punished for both messing up AND fixing the mistake, they just won't bother at all!
People HAVE to be allowed to make mistakes. They HAVE to be given a chance to improve.
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Bose recently did an unambiguously good thing, by publishing the API for the audio hardware they were originally going to brick: https://www.theverge.com/news/858501/bose-soundtouch-smart-speakers-open-source
However, I've seen some people say "don't praise Bose for this, they didn't do this until there was backlash".
SHUT UP. Shut the FUCK UP. I'm DONE living in a society where you get dragged through hell if you make a mistake, EVEN AFTER YOU CORRECT THE MISTAKE. I'm so fucking tired of hearing stupid excuses for this kind of puritanism like "they should've known better" NOBODY KNOWS BETTER UNTIL *AFTER THEY MAKE THE MISTAKE*. THAT'S HOW LEARNING *WORKS*.
And before you say "Companies aren't your friend" PUNISHING THEM FOR FIXING THEIR MISTAKES WON'T MAKE THEM DO THE RIGHT THING EITHER. If other people, or companies, see someone get punished for both messing up AND fixing the mistake, they just won't bother at all!
People HAVE to be allowed to make mistakes. They HAVE to be given a chance to improve.
@cloudhop@equestria.social THANK YOU.
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Bose recently did an unambiguously good thing, by publishing the API for the audio hardware they were originally going to brick: https://www.theverge.com/news/858501/bose-soundtouch-smart-speakers-open-source
However, I've seen some people say "don't praise Bose for this, they didn't do this until there was backlash".
SHUT UP. Shut the FUCK UP. I'm DONE living in a society where you get dragged through hell if you make a mistake, EVEN AFTER YOU CORRECT THE MISTAKE. I'm so fucking tired of hearing stupid excuses for this kind of puritanism like "they should've known better" NOBODY KNOWS BETTER UNTIL *AFTER THEY MAKE THE MISTAKE*. THAT'S HOW LEARNING *WORKS*.
And before you say "Companies aren't your friend" PUNISHING THEM FOR FIXING THEIR MISTAKES WON'T MAKE THEM DO THE RIGHT THING EITHER. If other people, or companies, see someone get punished for both messing up AND fixing the mistake, they just won't bother at all!
People HAVE to be allowed to make mistakes. They HAVE to be given a chance to improve.
@cloudhop@equestria.social Okay, I'm mostly disagreeing here.
First, words have meaning. They publicized the API. Good!
Please don't call it open sourcing, though. The license attached to that document is more on the strict side and definitely not open source. Calling it open source would be misleading.
They received praise from plenty of people (the majority of the comments on the verge, at least). They also received criticism. Both are valid. Criticizing something isn't a punishment.
You can be happy and praise Bose. Other people can still be displeased. Both are valid positions. Telling other people to shut up is what I take issue with. -
@cloudhop@equestria.social Okay, I'm mostly disagreeing here.
First, words have meaning. They publicized the API. Good!
Please don't call it open sourcing, though. The license attached to that document is more on the strict side and definitely not open source. Calling it open source would be misleading.
They received praise from plenty of people (the majority of the comments on the verge, at least). They also received criticism. Both are valid. Criticizing something isn't a punishment.
You can be happy and praise Bose. Other people can still be displeased. Both are valid positions. Telling other people to shut up is what I take issue with.@interru I edited the post to clarify that they simply published the API, but this doesn't actually affect my point at all.
People can critique Bose all they want, but the one thing they *cannot* critique Bose for is "only fixing it after there was backlash". That's not a valid position. That's punishing someone for not knowing better the first time around instead of accepting that they have attempted to fix the mistake. It's fine if they wanted to critique *how* Bose is fixing the mistake, but that's not what they did - they clearly stated that it was a bad thing that Bose didn't get it right the first time.
I WILL tell people to shut up about that. I will NOT allow that kind of behavior anywhere near me. That is not acceptable, in any circumstance, ever. Critique someone's attempts at fixing a mistake all you want, but don't allow the fact that they made a mistake in the first place to permanently taint them regardless of what they do.
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Bose recently did an unambiguously good thing, by publishing the API for the audio hardware they were originally going to brick: https://www.theverge.com/news/858501/bose-soundtouch-smart-speakers-open-source
However, I've seen some people say "don't praise Bose for this, they didn't do this until there was backlash".
SHUT UP. Shut the FUCK UP. I'm DONE living in a society where you get dragged through hell if you make a mistake, EVEN AFTER YOU CORRECT THE MISTAKE. I'm so fucking tired of hearing stupid excuses for this kind of puritanism like "they should've known better" NOBODY KNOWS BETTER UNTIL *AFTER THEY MAKE THE MISTAKE*. THAT'S HOW LEARNING *WORKS*.
And before you say "Companies aren't your friend" PUNISHING THEM FOR FIXING THEIR MISTAKES WON'T MAKE THEM DO THE RIGHT THING EITHER. If other people, or companies, see someone get punished for both messing up AND fixing the mistake, they just won't bother at all!
People HAVE to be allowed to make mistakes. They HAVE to be given a chance to improve.
@cloudhop Let's be clear - there are some opposing issues here.
What BOSE has done is opened up the API to a device they are EOL'ing. Yes, this is a good thing.
However, praising them for "open-sourcing" the hardware is incorrect. They have not open-sourced anything. This is why they still deserve criticism.
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@cloudhop Let's be clear - there are some opposing issues here.
What BOSE has done is opened up the API to a device they are EOL'ing. Yes, this is a good thing.
However, praising them for "open-sourcing" the hardware is incorrect. They have not open-sourced anything. This is why they still deserve criticism.
@unattributed I was already incredibly frustrated by this, so people consistently misinterpreting what I have written by inventing words not used in my post is testing my patience to the limit.
I did not say you shouldn't critique Bose. I never said a damn thing about that. Ya'll fucking pulled that sentence out of thin air. I said the problem was with a statement that clearly said we shouldn't give Bose any praise for fixing the mistake *because they only fixed it after there was backlash*.
No mention of whether the fix actually worked. No mention of whether Bose lied about it and backtracked later. Only that Bose's attempt to fix ANYTHING "doesn't count" because they didn't get it right the first time. THAT is what I'm mad about. Ya'll can critique Bose all you fucking want, that's not the point of the rant and it never was.
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@interru I edited the post to clarify that they simply published the API, but this doesn't actually affect my point at all.
People can critique Bose all they want, but the one thing they *cannot* critique Bose for is "only fixing it after there was backlash". That's not a valid position. That's punishing someone for not knowing better the first time around instead of accepting that they have attempted to fix the mistake. It's fine if they wanted to critique *how* Bose is fixing the mistake, but that's not what they did - they clearly stated that it was a bad thing that Bose didn't get it right the first time.
I WILL tell people to shut up about that. I will NOT allow that kind of behavior anywhere near me. That is not acceptable, in any circumstance, ever. Critique someone's attempts at fixing a mistake all you want, but don't allow the fact that they made a mistake in the first place to permanently taint them regardless of what they do.
but that's not what they did - they clearly stated that it was a bad thing that Bose didn't get it right the first time.
The only comments I've seen so far are those on The Verge.
In general we all, including you, do judge people and companies based on past behavior. That concept is called "trust". And trust very much is a subjective matter. -
but that's not what they did - they clearly stated that it was a bad thing that Bose didn't get it right the first time.
The only comments I've seen so far are those on The Verge.
In general we all, including you, do judge people and companies based on past behavior. That concept is called "trust". And trust very much is a subjective matter.@interru I paraphrased the quote for you, in the post. If you need a source for the specific comment that I'm mad about, I've linked it below, but I've seen the same sentiment in other places plenty of times, as have the hundreds of people who seem to resonate with this post. If you've never encountered this problem, then congratulations, you live in a slightly less hellish place than I do, but unfortunately, it is a real thing that real people actually say. This particular instance of the sentiment isn't really important.
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@interru I paraphrased the quote for you, in the post. If you need a source for the specific comment that I'm mad about, I've linked it below, but I've seen the same sentiment in other places plenty of times, as have the hundreds of people who seem to resonate with this post. If you've never encountered this problem, then congratulations, you live in a slightly less hellish place than I do, but unfortunately, it is a real thing that real people actually say. This particular instance of the sentiment isn't really important.
@cloudhop@equestria.social I see... HN. I stopped using that site a long time ago.
They are also kind of contradicting themselves because they themselves are "praising" Bose for taking the right direction.If you've never encountered this problem, then congratulations, you live in a slightly less hellish place than I do
I fear the inverse is the case. I don't consider it that harmful because I see far worse stuff. -
@unattributed I was already incredibly frustrated by this, so people consistently misinterpreting what I have written by inventing words not used in my post is testing my patience to the limit.
I did not say you shouldn't critique Bose. I never said a damn thing about that. Ya'll fucking pulled that sentence out of thin air. I said the problem was with a statement that clearly said we shouldn't give Bose any praise for fixing the mistake *because they only fixed it after there was backlash*.
No mention of whether the fix actually worked. No mention of whether Bose lied about it and backtracked later. Only that Bose's attempt to fix ANYTHING "doesn't count" because they didn't get it right the first time. THAT is what I'm mad about. Ya'll can critique Bose all you fucking want, that's not the point of the rant and it never was.
@cloudhop I wasn't saying that you weren't right to go on a rant against idiots. I was just clarifying the situation with BOSE as I saw it...
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