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Welcome to today's thread - 2025 #CrossBorderRail Conclusions Tour Day 12 - Bruxelles - Gent - Eeklo - Brugge

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  • jon@gruene.socialJ jon@gruene.social

    Today is a bit silly…

    I need to get to Brugge for a meeting at the College of Europe, but why not take in some extra borders on the way – including what will be the 400th border of the #CrossBorderRail project. But none of the three former cross border tramways I will visit has any real chance of re-activation.

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    Here’s today’s #CrossBorderRail intro video. Today is all about getting to 400 borders 😀 https://peertube.netzbegruenung.de/w/uU49DsPkV7KSKwcCh1E8a1

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      Here’s today’s #CrossBorderRail intro video. Today is all about getting to 400 borders 😀 https://peertube.netzbegruenung.de/w/uU49DsPkV7KSKwcCh1E8a1

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      Foul cycle ride from near Schuman to Bruxelles Midi. Car went through a red light, businessman who couldn’t control the speed of his e-bike cut me up, braked too hard, and bumped into another cyclist. And Brussels cyclists are taking on the traits of Brussels car drivers: selfish and odd, unexpected behaviours. #CrossBorderRail

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        Foul cycle ride from near Schuman to Bruxelles Midi. Car went through a red light, businessman who couldn’t control the speed of his e-bike cut me up, braked too hard, and bumped into another cyclist. And Brussels cyclists are taking on the traits of Brussels car drivers: selfish and odd, unexpected behaviours. #CrossBorderRail

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        #5

        Interesting comment from another cyclist yesterday in the EU quarter. I was unlocking my tiny folding Birdy next to his massive electric long tail. “Is that electric?” he asked me about my bike. “No” I replied. “Oh you can’t be from Brussels then!” As if no one in their right mind would ride anything else. #CrossBorderRail

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        • jon@gruene.socialJ jon@gruene.social

          Interesting comment from another cyclist yesterday in the EU quarter. I was unlocking my tiny folding Birdy next to his massive electric long tail. “Is that electric?” he asked me about my bike. “No” I replied. “Oh you can’t be from Brussels then!” As if no one in their right mind would ride anything else. #CrossBorderRail

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          #CrossBorderRail Conclusions Tour Train 38 of 74
          IC 430
          09:38 Bruxelles Midi - Gent St Pieters 10:06
          SNCB

          Train type: 2x Siemens 18 locomotive top-tailing 6 double deck carriages
          ⚡️ (3kV dc)
          🚲: ✅ (loads of space)
          🦽: ✅ (needs train manager to open a special door)
          🛜: ⛔️
          🍽️: ⛔️
          🧳: 😐 (hit and miss - get the right carriage and it’s ok as double deck designs go)
          🧽: 🙂

          🎫 Interrail: 🙂 (accepted)

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          • jon@gruene.socialJ jon@gruene.social

            #CrossBorderRail Conclusions Tour Train 38 of 74
            IC 430
            09:38 Bruxelles Midi - Gent St Pieters 10:06
            SNCB

            Train type: 2x Siemens 18 locomotive top-tailing 6 double deck carriages
            ⚡️ (3kV dc)
            🚲: ✅ (loads of space)
            🦽: ✅ (needs train manager to open a special door)
            🛜: ⛔️
            🍽️: ⛔️
            🧳: 😐 (hit and miss - get the right carriage and it’s ok as double deck designs go)
            🧽: 🙂

            🎫 Interrail: 🙂 (accepted)

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            (Stats from Central where I’d intended boarding it)

            IC 430
            09:28 Bruxelles Central - Gent St Pieters 10:06

            Distance: 51.8km
            Average speed: 82km/h

            2 stops:
            Bruxelles Midi
            Gent St Pieters

            This train, mapped: https://umap.openstreetmap.fr/en/map/crossborderrail-2025-conclusions-tour_1266988#11/50.9411/4.0121

            #CrossBorderRail

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            • jon@gruene.socialJ jon@gruene.social

              (Stats from Central where I’d intended boarding it)

              IC 430
              09:28 Bruxelles Central - Gent St Pieters 10:06

              Distance: 51.8km
              Average speed: 82km/h

              2 stops:
              Bruxelles Midi
              Gent St Pieters

              This train, mapped: https://umap.openstreetmap.fr/en/map/crossborderrail-2025-conclusions-tour_1266988#11/50.9411/4.0121

              #CrossBorderRail

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              #CrossBorderRail Conclusions Tour Train 39 of 74
              S51 759
              10:14 Gent St Pieters - Eeklo 10:49
              SNCB

              Train type: Alstom AR41 DMU, 2x 2 carriages
              ⛽️
              🚲: ✅
              🦽: ✅ (lift on platform)
              🛜: ⛔️
              🍽️: ⛔️
              🧳: ☹️ (high steps, some doors narrow, not great once you’re in either)
              🧽: 🙂

              🎫 Interrail: 🙂 (accepted)

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              • jon@gruene.socialJ jon@gruene.social

                #CrossBorderRail Conclusions Tour Train 39 of 74
                S51 759
                10:14 Gent St Pieters - Eeklo 10:49
                SNCB

                Train type: Alstom AR41 DMU, 2x 2 carriages
                ⛽️
                🚲: ✅
                🦽: ✅ (lift on platform)
                🛜: ⛔️
                🍽️: ⛔️
                🧳: ☹️ (high steps, some doors narrow, not great once you’re in either)
                🧽: 🙂

                🎫 Interrail: 🙂 (accepted)

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                #9

                S51 759
                10:14 Gent St Pieters - Eeklo 10:49

                Distance: 26.5km
                Average speed: 45km/h

                7 stops:
                Gentbrugge
                Gent-Dampoort
                Wondelgem
                Evergem
                Sleidinge
                Waarschoot
                Eeklo

                This train, mapped: https://umap.openstreetmap.fr/en/map/crossborderrail-2025-conclusions-tour_1266988#12/51.1052/3.6663

                #CrossBorderRail

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                • jon@gruene.socialJ jon@gruene.social

                  S51 759
                  10:14 Gent St Pieters - Eeklo 10:49

                  Distance: 26.5km
                  Average speed: 45km/h

                  7 stops:
                  Gentbrugge
                  Gent-Dampoort
                  Wondelgem
                  Evergem
                  Sleidinge
                  Waarschoot
                  Eeklo

                  This train, mapped: https://umap.openstreetmap.fr/en/map/crossborderrail-2025-conclusions-tour_1266988#12/51.1052/3.6663

                  #CrossBorderRail

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                  These AR41 DMUs are among the weirdest rolling stock acquisitions in modern times. Built 2000-2002, they’re high floor (when low floor DMUs already existed), have few doors (but serve routes with many stops). The motor vibrations are quite bad too. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belgian_Railways_Class_41?wprov=sfti1#

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                  • jon@gruene.socialJ jon@gruene.social

                    These AR41 DMUs are among the weirdest rolling stock acquisitions in modern times. Built 2000-2002, they’re high floor (when low floor DMUs already existed), have few doors (but serve routes with many stops). The motor vibrations are quite bad too. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belgian_Railways_Class_41?wprov=sfti1#

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                    #11

                    And the high floor DMUs work especially well with the platforms along the route that weren’t renovated, so are about 30cm above the rail

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                    • jon@gruene.socialJ jon@gruene.social

                      And the high floor DMUs work especially well with the platforms along the route that weren’t renovated, so are about 30cm above the rail

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                      #12

                      Cashier at Lidl, Eeklo gets arsey that I have three bike panniers with me in the store

                      Do tell me in our car dominated shopping culture how I am supposed to do any different? I can’t leave valuables on the bike!

                      Edit: to be clear - the cashier wasn’t annoyed by panniers per se, but wanted to search them to check I wasn’t shoplifting.

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                      • jon@gruene.socialJ jon@gruene.social

                        Cashier at Lidl, Eeklo gets arsey that I have three bike panniers with me in the store

                        Do tell me in our car dominated shopping culture how I am supposed to do any different? I can’t leave valuables on the bike!

                        Edit: to be clear - the cashier wasn’t annoyed by panniers per se, but wanted to search them to check I wasn’t shoplifting.

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                        #13

                        Ok. Destination 400 #CrossBorderRail borders!

                        #CrossBorderRail Conclusions Tour Bike 10 of 17
                        Eeklo - Brugge, via 3 former tramway borders

                        Distance: 53.7km
                        Est. duration: 4:00

                        This bike route, mapped: https://umap.openstreetmap.fr/en/map/crossborderrail-2025-conclusions-tour_1266988#12/51.2303/3.4099

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                        • jon@gruene.socialJ jon@gruene.social

                          Ok. Destination 400 #CrossBorderRail borders!

                          #CrossBorderRail Conclusions Tour Bike 10 of 17
                          Eeklo - Brugge, via 3 former tramway borders

                          Distance: 53.7km
                          Est. duration: 4:00

                          This bike route, mapped: https://umap.openstreetmap.fr/en/map/crossborderrail-2025-conclusions-tour_1266988#12/51.2303/3.4099

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                          #14

                          So @Pepijn wanted pics of grey Flanders. Voila! #CrossBorderRail

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