I don't own a gun.
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@randahl Don't disagree, but when the enemy has AR-15 assault weapons, multiple pistols, carries them openly in public, and the law gives victims no recourse against shooters if shooters "feel threatened" and "have no duty to retreat" in public, the ONLY sane option is to arm up so you can shoot back.
@frequencyfault @randahl No, then only sane option is to state you're unarmed and de-escalate. Even if the AR-15 wearer wants your car or your wallet, … : give them to him/her!
It's not cowardice, it's recognizing you don't value those as much as the innocent lives you could take out when you miss because you're not trained for gun fights, and more lives if your opponent shoots in your direction with an AR-15 and take out multiple bystanders.
If you're armed, you are indeed, a threat: no one knows why you are and how likely you are to accidentally kill someone. -
That is interesting. Have you a source for that?
Never believe anything that anybody says at just face value. If you're truly curious on the subject, just do a simple internet search to find out the US cities that have the highest gun violence. Then look at its government and it's racial statistics.
Here's a fun fact for you. When you hear the term mass shooting which has been used a lot in the media in recent years, you typically think of dozens or possibly even hundreds of people dead. But did you know that a mass shooting is defined as a shooting in which as few as three people were shot and injured? On a given holiday weekend in Chicago, several mass shootings happen with regularity.
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@frequencyfault @randahl No, then only sane option is to state you're unarmed and de-escalate. Even if the AR-15 wearer wants your car or your wallet, … : give them to him/her!
It's not cowardice, it's recognizing you don't value those as much as the innocent lives you could take out when you miss because you're not trained for gun fights, and more lives if your opponent shoots in your direction with an AR-15 and take out multiple bystanders.
If you're armed, you are indeed, a threat: no one knows why you are and how likely you are to accidentally kill someone.@matlag @randahl Unfortunately, the enemy doesn't see it that way. If everyone around you is armed you're easy pickings. It's basic game theory.
I didn't say I like living like this. Baby Boomers elected all the people that made everything this way to protect their wealth and property rights. I have neither, i just don't want to be shot.
Deterrence is defense.
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> Well we saw how great peaceful, rational dialogue worked at Munich all those years ago...
What are you even talking about? How is that relevant to anything?
I assume you are talking about the Olympics - a counter example if there ever was one of taking up arms
If not, then what?
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Never believe anything that anybody says at just face value. If you're truly curious on the subject, just do a simple internet search to find out the US cities that have the highest gun violence. Then look at its government and it's racial statistics.
Here's a fun fact for you. When you hear the term mass shooting which has been used a lot in the media in recent years, you typically think of dozens or possibly even hundreds of people dead. But did you know that a mass shooting is defined as a shooting in which as few as three people were shot and injured? On a given holiday weekend in Chicago, several mass shootings happen with regularity.
> If you're truly curious on the subject, just do a simple internet search to find out the US cities that have the highest gun violence.
Please. You are stating you know facts ("... if you care about facts). They sound fascinating.
Share them please.
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@randahl
Double that number to include suicides.Gun deaths in the US including suicides in 2024.
” at least 42,348 people died of gunshot wounds last year "
https://www.thetrace.org/2026/08/gun-deaths-homicide-suicide-cdc-data/
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> Well we saw how great peaceful, rational dialogue worked at Munich all those years ago...
What are you even talking about? How is that relevant to anything?
I assume you are talking about the Olympics - a counter example if there ever was one of taking up arms
If not, then what?
@worik @randahl No. I'm talking about Chamberlain with his worthless assurance by Hitler after his summit. Talking to maniacs is not helpful. Firebombing their cities is.
The fanatical Axis Powers didn't surrender due to relentless communication and whatever. Enough if their people got reduced to ash that their will to keep fighting for their beliefs was broken.
Same principal. In America, the gun nuts want to shoot anyone who scares them. I counter their urges by arming myself.
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> If you're truly curious on the subject, just do a simple internet search to find out the US cities that have the highest gun violence.
Please. You are stating you know facts ("... if you care about facts). They sound fascinating.
Share them please.
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@worik @randahl No. I'm talking about Chamberlain with his worthless assurance by Hitler after his summit. Talking to maniacs is not helpful. Firebombing their cities is.
The fanatical Axis Powers didn't surrender due to relentless communication and whatever. Enough if their people got reduced to ash that their will to keep fighting for their beliefs was broken.
Same principal. In America, the gun nuts want to shoot anyone who scares them. I counter their urges by arming myself.
@worik @randahl I've already told you I hate living in the USA. It sucks. One if the worst countries to ever exist...but I can't do anything about where I was born and I know my country's culture better than any Europeans do (all due respect). Europeans don't have bad crime or poverty (relative to the USA) because your side of the Atlantic prioritizes social welfare. In America, the only thing that matters is death and profit.
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@randahl Translation into MAGA: Denmark hates Freedom.
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I don't own a gun. I have not touched a gun for decades. I have not once seen a gun in public in the city where I live, except for the pistols carried by law enforcement. Because in Denmark we don't have guns.
Our last school shooting was in 1994.
In the US 13,000 people will die from gun violence this year.
In Denmark only 10.
I call that being pro life.
@randahl what about knife stabbings?
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I don't own a gun. I have not touched a gun for decades. I have not once seen a gun in public in the city where I live, except for the pistols carried by law enforcement. Because in Denmark we don't have guns.
Our last school shooting was in 1994.
In the US 13,000 people will die from gun violence this year.
In Denmark only 10.
I call that being pro life.
And it shows that the US is a poor and underdeveloped country. I'm living in Germany 67 yrs old and never had to use or own a gun. We pay professionals to do it. We call them police, military, Forest ranger and body guard.
And the are a small number of gun athletes, using them in sports. Professionals like Olympic biathlets are from the above groups too and paid users too.
Amateurs are rare. People can afford to let professionals do the shooting.
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@randahl Translation into MAGA: Denmark hates Freedom.
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> the ONLY sane option is to arm up so you can shoot back.
Odd use of the word "sane"
It is recommending playing by rules, you had no say in, that are heavilly weighted against you and joining in a game you are almost guaranteed to loose.
At the cost of your life.
I think the word used ought to have been "insane"
@worik @frequencyfault @randahl
The only way to win is not to play...
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@worik @randahl No. I'm talking about Chamberlain with his worthless assurance by Hitler after his summit. Talking to maniacs is not helpful. Firebombing their cities is.
The fanatical Axis Powers didn't surrender due to relentless communication and whatever. Enough if their people got reduced to ash that their will to keep fighting for their beliefs was broken.
Same principal. In America, the gun nuts want to shoot anyone who scares them. I counter their urges by arming myself.
@frequencyfault @worik @randahl
> Talking to maniacs is not helpful. Firebombing their cities is.
Strange, seeing you advocate a fire-bombing of Washington. Personally I tend to spare the civilian collateral damage, because, it's not really the maniacs' cities.
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I don't own a gun. I have not touched a gun for decades. I have not once seen a gun in public in the city where I live, except for the pistols carried by law enforcement. Because in Denmark we don't have guns.
Our last school shooting was in 1994.
In the US 13,000 people will die from gun violence this year.
In Denmark only 10.
I call that being pro life.
@randahl I am not "impressed" by that "small" number of dead people. Why? In South Africa we have on average of 70 murders EVERY DAY. It is a GOOD idea to have a FEW guns here.
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I don't own a gun. I have not touched a gun for decades. I have not once seen a gun in public in the city where I live, except for the pistols carried by law enforcement. Because in Denmark we don't have guns.
Our last school shooting was in 1994.
In the US 13,000 people will die from gun violence this year.
In Denmark only 10.
I call that being pro life.
@randahl You live in one of the wealthiest countries in the world (without the type of wealth disparity we have in the States).
Gun violence in the U.S. is a symptom of much greater problems. Our Canadian neighbors have plenty of guns but they don't have the gun violence problem we have.
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I don't own a gun. I have not touched a gun for decades. I have not once seen a gun in public in the city where I live, except for the pistols carried by law enforcement. Because in Denmark we don't have guns.
Our last school shooting was in 1994.
In the US 13,000 people will die from gun violence this year.
In Denmark only 10.
I call that being pro life.
@randahl What scares me, is that while we also have guns in private hands for hunting and target shooting (Germany; 19.6 private firearms per 100 residents as per Small Arms Survey 2017), we still experience way lower gun-related incidents than the USofA.
I have used guns, have been a gun safety instructor, and won't disclose if I own guns. Still, you can handle guns safely. I lived few years in the US (totally unrelated to guns), and encountered some pretty lunatic folks there. That society is way, way different from Europe, and it can be quite scary.
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@randahl I don't know if you care about facts, but if you removed the top 5-6 cities in which gun violence occurs in the US (cities which are Democrat/left leaning and the victims and instigators of gun violence come from a decidedly singular demographic), then the US is pretty darn safe despite the number of guns in circulation.
It ultimately comes down to culture and has absolutely nothing to do with the issue of guns. Look at Switzerland, which allowed its veterans to take home their military issued rifles. Dare I say they have very few issues of gun violence.
The great thing is that freedom allows you to have the choice of NOT owning a gun. But you should never tell another people what they should or shouldn't be allowed to have.
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@randahl I don't know if you care about facts, but if you removed the top 5-6 cities in which gun violence occurs in the US (cities which are Democrat/left leaning and the victims and instigators of gun violence come from a decidedly singular demographic), then the US is pretty darn safe despite the number of guns in circulation.
It ultimately comes down to culture and has absolutely nothing to do with the issue of guns. Look at Switzerland, which allowed its veterans to take home their military issued rifles. Dare I say they have very few issues of gun violence.
The great thing is that freedom allows you to have the choice of NOT owning a gun. But you should never tell another people what they should or shouldn't be allowed to have.
@originalworlds @randahl “decidedly singular demographic”
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