The remarks from the expert in this article, even as critical as they are, grossly understate just how foolish and messed up this is.
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Say what you will about predicting the future from animal entrails, but at least that can give you dinner
This is the exact analogy I’ve used before.
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@inthehands This doesn't make any sense. It's as much a real polling method as Theranos did real blood tests.
As a side note, however, regarding the expert saying this could "influence public opinion itself, rather than merely[..]report what the public thinks," polling 100% does this already. Different ways of framing a question yield vastly different results. Big money pressure groups will try different framings and cherry-pick what result they report to shift public opinion.
@scott @inthehands I recently asked a coworker for evidence behind a claim she was making. She said she asked ChatGPT.
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Say what you will about predicting the future from animal entrails, but at least that can give you dinner
I don’t know, perhaps I read too hastily and am misrepresenting what these people did. But at this point the nonsense is so severe I can believe it without even doing a double take
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Say what you will about predicting the future from animal entrails, but at least that can give you dinner
A related aside: while calling others backward, the West has rituals like a beaver seeing his shadow or not to figure out when spring starts...
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@scott @inthehands I recently asked a coworker for evidence behind a claim she was making. She said she asked ChatGPT.
@eniatitova As much as that may be foolish without checking ChatGPT's stated source for the information, it's not *as* wrong as using LLMs to replace polling. Information backing up that claim might actually have been in a given LLM's training set. Knowledge of what the whole population thinks about a specific question right now, can't possibly have been.
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@eniatitova As much as that may be foolish without checking ChatGPT's stated source for the information, it's not *as* wrong as using LLMs to replace polling. Information backing up that claim might actually have been in a given LLM's training set. Knowledge of what the whole population thinks about a specific question right now, can't possibly have been.
@scott I agree, I think people have completely lost the plot on what it is LLMs actually do: generate text. hard stop. I can’t reveal my question because atty client privilege but suffice it to say, there was no source that ChatGPT could have had access to that would have provided a credible evidence.
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I don’t know, perhaps I read too hastily and am misrepresenting what these people did. But at this point the nonsense is so severe I can believe it without even doing a double take
OK, I looked at it in slightly more detail, and yes, my OP is basically a correct summary of what they’re doing.
Statistical Jesus wept.
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@inthehands What tripe.
@rjblaskiewicz @inthehands
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@rjblaskiewicz @inthehands
It's just offal.@gnate @rjblaskiewicz
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OK, I looked at it in slightly more detail, and yes, my OP is basically a correct summary of what they’re doing.
Statistical Jesus wept.
(The underlying logic here is that LLMs embed biases, so you take advantage of that fact by prompting an LLM to take on a spectrum of different demographic biases that correspond to population demographics, then ask the LLM a polling question in the context of each of those demographically weighted biases.
So yeah, from my OP it might sound like they’re replacing polling with stabbing themselves in the face, but •actually• they’re juggling a bunch of knives and •then• stabbing themselves in the face.)
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(The underlying logic here is that LLMs embed biases, so you take advantage of that fact by prompting an LLM to take on a spectrum of different demographic biases that correspond to population demographics, then ask the LLM a polling question in the context of each of those demographically weighted biases.
So yeah, from my OP it might sound like they’re replacing polling with stabbing themselves in the face, but •actually• they’re juggling a bunch of knives and •then• stabbing themselves in the face.)
@inthehands
Gah! Wrong damn biases tho.The gd stupidity is just too.much sometimes
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(The underlying logic here is that LLMs embed biases, so you take advantage of that fact by prompting an LLM to take on a spectrum of different demographic biases that correspond to population demographics, then ask the LLM a polling question in the context of each of those demographically weighted biases.
So yeah, from my OP it might sound like they’re replacing polling with stabbing themselves in the face, but •actually• they’re juggling a bunch of knives and •then• stabbing themselves in the face.)
@inthehands emphasis on the through face stabbing
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@inthehands emphasis on the through face stabbing
@wronglang
But see they juggled the knives first!They •juggled• them, Krzysztof
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I don’t know, perhaps I read too hastily and am misrepresenting what these people did. But at this point the nonsense is so severe I can believe it without even doing a double take
@inthehands they were never looking for a survey methodology, they were looking for a beard!
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@wronglang
But see they juggled the knives first!They •juggled• them, Krzysztof
@inthehands that was so you couldn't tell if they were stabbing their own face or yours
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RE: https://flipboard.com/@futurism/futurism-1lupih3cz/-/a-hWRkyR9zQFuooBpWKGziAw%3Aa%3A1737388686-%2F0
The remarks from the expert in this article, even as critical as they are, grossly understate just how foolish and messed up this is.
“We didn’t conduct a poll, we just asked GPT or whatever to make up things people would say and then sampled that”
My dudes. No.
@inthehands FFS
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RE: https://flipboard.com/@futurism/futurism-1lupih3cz/-/a-hWRkyR9zQFuooBpWKGziAw%3Aa%3A1737388686-%2F0
The remarks from the expert in this article, even as critical as they are, grossly understate just how foolish and messed up this is.
“We didn’t conduct a poll, we just asked GPT or whatever to make up things people would say and then sampled that”
My dudes. No.
Next it will be asking LLMs what voters would choose and just going with that. No need for elections.
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RE: https://flipboard.com/@futurism/futurism-1lupih3cz/-/a-hWRkyR9zQFuooBpWKGziAw%3Aa%3A1737388686-%2F0
The remarks from the expert in this article, even as critical as they are, grossly understate just how foolish and messed up this is.
“We didn’t conduct a poll, we just asked GPT or whatever to make up things people would say and then sampled that”
My dudes. No.
@inthehands @mastodonmigration @Futurism
I think polls should all include the question:
Did you find any of these questions leading?
And be required to publish that result next to any results along with those that commissioned, paid for, the poll.
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Say what you will about predicting the future from animal entrails, but at least that can give you dinner
@inthehands Can I quote you on that?
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@inthehands Can I quote you on that?
@drwho
Any time
