If you pay Proton Mail for a service, they may hand over the payment data in response to a court order: https://www.404media.co/proton-mail-helped-fbi-unmask-anonymous-stop-cop-city-protestor/
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If you pay Proton Mail for a service, they may hand over the payment data in response to a court order: https://www.404media.co/proton-mail-helped-fbi-unmask-anonymous-stop-cop-city-protestor/
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If you pay Proton Mail for a service, they may hand over the payment data in response to a court order: https://www.404media.co/proton-mail-helped-fbi-unmask-anonymous-stop-cop-city-protestor/
@evacide When will people stop using this honeypot?
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If you pay Proton Mail for a service, they may hand over the payment data in response to a court order: https://www.404media.co/proton-mail-helped-fbi-unmask-anonymous-stop-cop-city-protestor/
@evacide this is far from new? What happened to the internet never forgets? Proton regularly complies with police/government/legal etc.
2021
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@evacide this is far from new? What happened to the internet never forgets? Proton regularly complies with police/government/legal etc.
2021
@Tekchip Is there something in my post that says this is a novel development?
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@Tekchip Is there something in my post that says this is a novel development?
@evacide no, left more so for the other folks replying to your post as if this is unexpected.
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@evacide I've been following the articles on this, and was curious -- you would know this better than I -- does it sound like they were in a position where they had a legal alternative?
@cliffle This is exactly what they have already said they would do, but it is very common for me to encounter people who use Proton Mail who do not expect this.
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@evacide Mail cash, I guess? Not really into crypto.
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@evacide no, left more so for the other folks replying to your post as if this is unexpected.
@Tekchip Feel free to reply to them while leaving me out of it.
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@cliffle This is exactly what they have already said they would do, but it is very common for me to encounter people who use Proton Mail who do not expect this.
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@cliffle This is exactly what they have already said they would do, but it is very common for me to encounter people who use Proton Mail who do not expect this.
and with owners in the US, there's even more legal jeopardy potential. where the servers are located is less relevant than who owns them.
contrast that with Tuta, sure it's EU owned but you have to go through more layers to get to account details, and not as easily strong-armed.
though the French MS email saga from a while back makes it all muddier. French authorities will comply with requests made through the proper channels, a US judge said she didn't have to and demanded compliance - putting MS-France in non-compliance with the US court order, or non-compliance with French law.
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If you pay Proton Mail for a service, they may hand over the payment data in response to a court order: https://www.404media.co/proton-mail-helped-fbi-unmask-anonymous-stop-cop-city-protestor/
You can actually pay Posteo in cash by mail: send banknotes in an envelope with a code to Posteo.
@Tutanota as alternative does not offer direct cash payment, but you can buy Tuta gift cards cash same way via the reseller Proxystore.
@protonprivacy also accepts cash payments according to their support, by sending physical money via post. You get the details by contacting Proton support…
But if you pay with a Creditcard, you have an US provider an board
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If you pay Proton Mail for a service, they may hand over the payment data in response to a court order: https://www.404media.co/proton-mail-helped-fbi-unmask-anonymous-stop-cop-city-protestor/
May I assume @Tutanota would be bound to do the same thing?
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If you pay Proton Mail for a service, they may hand over the payment data in response to a court order: https://www.404media.co/proton-mail-helped-fbi-unmask-anonymous-stop-cop-city-protestor/
@evacide Wouldn’t that be a given in most jurisdictions?
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@wcbdata @cliffle @evacide cash is a supported payment method:
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If you pay Proton Mail for a service, they may hand over the payment data in response to a court order: https://www.404media.co/proton-mail-helped-fbi-unmask-anonymous-stop-cop-city-protestor/
@evacide Payment data is d0x data. Always has been. -
If you pay Proton Mail for a service, they may hand over the payment data in response to a court order: https://www.404media.co/proton-mail-helped-fbi-unmask-anonymous-stop-cop-city-protestor/
@evacide so the only real solution is to run your own mail server, because corporations will always do this if pressured?
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May I assume @Tutanota would be bound to do the same thing?
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You can actually pay Posteo in cash by mail: send banknotes in an envelope with a code to Posteo.
@Tutanota as alternative does not offer direct cash payment, but you can buy Tuta gift cards cash same way via the reseller Proxystore.
@protonprivacy also accepts cash payments according to their support, by sending physical money via post. You get the details by contacting Proton support…
But if you pay with a Creditcard, you have an US provider an board
@doodee thanks for the tips
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@simonzerafa @evacide I think you mean "anonymity" rather than "privacy". No corporation is immune to legal compulsion. If you link a credit card to an account of any type, it will show up in all kinds of metadata via credit card companies and data brokers, and the banking records will forever deanonymize the account.
So yes, pay for a ProtonMail account with CC if you want, but use a free one if you want *anonymity* in addition to privacy.
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@evacide Wouldn’t that be a given in most jurisdictions?
@lasombra_br @evacide you'd think so, but a surprising amount of people don't realize a credit card immediately deanonymizes whatever they pay for with a card.
