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  3. Can’t wait to find out how this upgrade enhances my dishwasher’s performance.

Can’t wait to find out how this upgrade enhances my dishwasher’s performance.

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  • dan@discuss.systemsD dan@discuss.systems

    Can’t wait to find out how this upgrade enhances my dishwasher’s performance.

    At least it’s not adding new AI features, I guess…

    jumile@mas.toJ This user is from outside of this forum
    jumile@mas.toJ This user is from outside of this forum
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    #2

    @dan You hope. Or yet. 😅

    At least they're not at the "mandatory security update" stage of force-fed updates. Silver lining?

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    • dan@discuss.systemsD dan@discuss.systems

      Can’t wait to find out how this upgrade enhances my dishwasher’s performance.

      At least it’s not adding new AI features, I guess…

      anguadelphine@mk.absturztau.beA This user is from outside of this forum
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      anguadelphine@mk.absturztau.be
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      #3

      @dan@discuss.systems

      Let's see ... makes it pay per wash cycle?

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      • anguadelphine@mk.absturztau.beA anguadelphine@mk.absturztau.be

        @dan@discuss.systems

        Let's see ... makes it pay per wash cycle?

        qurlyjoe@mstdn.socialQ This user is from outside of this forum
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        qurlyjoe@mstdn.social
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        #4

        @AnguaDelphine @dan
        Tiered subscription model to release more features depending on the level you’ve payed for.

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        • dan@discuss.systemsD dan@discuss.systems

          Can’t wait to find out how this upgrade enhances my dishwasher’s performance.

          At least it’s not adding new AI features, I guess…

          qurlyjoe@mstdn.socialQ This user is from outside of this forum
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          #5

          @dan
          What brand? So I don’t buy one.

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          • dan@discuss.systemsD dan@discuss.systems

            Can’t wait to find out how this upgrade enhances my dishwasher’s performance.

            At least it’s not adding new AI features, I guess…

            someone_else@infosec.exchangeS This user is from outside of this forum
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            #6

            @dan
            - "My dishwasher is on the internet!"
            - "Why is on the internet?"
            - "To download software updates!"
            - "Why does it need software updates?"
            - "To fix security vulnerabilities!"
            - "Why would it have security vulnerabilities?"
            - "Because it's on the internet!"

            flying@mastodon.bachgau.socialF jakob@pxi.socialJ redrummy@ohai.socialR grahamdowns@mastodon.africaG 8472@norden.social8 27 Replies Last reply
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            • qurlyjoe@mstdn.socialQ qurlyjoe@mstdn.social

              @dan
              What brand? So I don’t buy one.

              someone_else@infosec.exchangeS This user is from outside of this forum
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              #7

              @qurlyjoe @dan
              The logo tells me it is a BSH device (Bosch Siemens Hausgeräte)

              https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BSH_Hausger%C3%A4te

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              • dan@discuss.systemsD dan@discuss.systems

                Can’t wait to find out how this upgrade enhances my dishwasher’s performance.

                At least it’s not adding new AI features, I guess…

                oz@mastodonsweden.seO This user is from outside of this forum
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                oz@mastodonsweden.se
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                #8

                @dan Same!

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                • someone_else@infosec.exchangeS someone_else@infosec.exchange

                  @dan
                  - "My dishwasher is on the internet!"
                  - "Why is on the internet?"
                  - "To download software updates!"
                  - "Why does it need software updates?"
                  - "To fix security vulnerabilities!"
                  - "Why would it have security vulnerabilities?"
                  - "Because it's on the internet!"

                  flying@mastodon.bachgau.socialF This user is from outside of this forum
                  flying@mastodon.bachgau.socialF This user is from outside of this forum
                  flying@mastodon.bachgau.social
                  wrote sidst redigeret af
                  #9

                  @someone_else @dan

                  Vernetzte Systeme sind ja ganz nett - wenn es darum geht den Spüler dann laufen zu lassen, wenn Energie verfügbar ist.
                  Allerdings benötigt das Teil dafür eigentlich keinen "Internet" Zugang sondern nur eine Schnittstelle, die sich sicher gestalten lässt.
                  Seufz. DIese AI-isierung und zwanghafte Vernetzung übers www von Haushaltsgeräten ist echt die Pest.

                  #InternetOfThings #Security

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                  • someone_else@infosec.exchangeS someone_else@infosec.exchange

                    @dan
                    - "My dishwasher is on the internet!"
                    - "Why is on the internet?"
                    - "To download software updates!"
                    - "Why does it need software updates?"
                    - "To fix security vulnerabilities!"
                    - "Why would it have security vulnerabilities?"
                    - "Because it's on the internet!"

                    jakob@pxi.socialJ This user is from outside of this forum
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                    wrote sidst redigeret af
                    #10

                    @someone_else @dan I have not seen this discussed often, but parceling out software even for a one-time feature enabling move has become a way to circumnavigate tariffs. Ship and invoice hardware at cost or even lower, enable functionality after arrival for a price that does not appear on import documents. Very useful, if not necessary for continuing to outsource production to cheap labor or dropship stuff altogether.

                    The shitty incentives of the current economic system abound.

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                    • flying@mastodon.bachgau.socialF flying@mastodon.bachgau.social

                      @someone_else @dan

                      Vernetzte Systeme sind ja ganz nett - wenn es darum geht den Spüler dann laufen zu lassen, wenn Energie verfügbar ist.
                      Allerdings benötigt das Teil dafür eigentlich keinen "Internet" Zugang sondern nur eine Schnittstelle, die sich sicher gestalten lässt.
                      Seufz. DIese AI-isierung und zwanghafte Vernetzung übers www von Haushaltsgeräten ist echt die Pest.

                      #InternetOfThings #Security

                      skade@hachyderm.ioS This user is from outside of this forum
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                      wrote sidst redigeret af
                      #11

                      @flyIng @someone_else @dan Ich hatte mal eine interessante Unterhaltung mit einem Geschäftsführer einer IoT-Firma. Und der hasste das I in IoT und fand das nur einen gigantischen Hack darum, dass man die Device-2-Device-Kommunikation nicht standardisiert hinkriegt. Stattdessen redet das Thermostat mit dem Rechenzentrum, die Heizung mit dem Rechenzentrum und die Integration wird dort gebastelt und gefixt.

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                      • someone_else@infosec.exchangeS someone_else@infosec.exchange

                        @dan
                        - "My dishwasher is on the internet!"
                        - "Why is on the internet?"
                        - "To download software updates!"
                        - "Why does it need software updates?"
                        - "To fix security vulnerabilities!"
                        - "Why would it have security vulnerabilities?"
                        - "Because it's on the internet!"

                        redrummy@ohai.socialR This user is from outside of this forum
                        redrummy@ohai.socialR This user is from outside of this forum
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                        #12

                        @someone_else @dan endless_screaming.gif

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                        • dan@discuss.systemsD dan@discuss.systems

                          Can’t wait to find out how this upgrade enhances my dishwasher’s performance.

                          At least it’s not adding new AI features, I guess…

                          robtherunt@cupoftea.socialR This user is from outside of this forum
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                          #13

                          @dan
                          Maybe it’s installing a new shelf layout

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                          • dan@discuss.systemsD dan@discuss.systems

                            Can’t wait to find out how this upgrade enhances my dishwasher’s performance.

                            At least it’s not adding new AI features, I guess…

                            dave2022@mastodonapp.ukD This user is from outside of this forum
                            dave2022@mastodonapp.ukD This user is from outside of this forum
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                            #14

                            @dan Does it have a web cam inside? Hackers might be able to steal all your dirty secrets?

                            I've always wanted to watch my plates get cleaned whist I'm out 🤣

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                            • someone_else@infosec.exchangeS someone_else@infosec.exchange

                              @dan
                              - "My dishwasher is on the internet!"
                              - "Why is on the internet?"
                              - "To download software updates!"
                              - "Why does it need software updates?"
                              - "To fix security vulnerabilities!"
                              - "Why would it have security vulnerabilities?"
                              - "Because it's on the internet!"

                              grahamdowns@mastodon.africaG This user is from outside of this forum
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                              #15

                              @someone_else @dan To be fair, being able to use my phone to start it or stop it or check if it's running, even when I'm out, is pretty useful.

                              Maybe I had set it to start at 12:00, but my house runs through solar and I know the dishwasher uses a lot of power, and now at 11:50 I see it's suddenly gone super overcast and I check my inverter (which is also Internet-connected) and I see it's currently only getting in like 140W where I would've expected 2400W, so I want to abort the timer that starts the dishwasher (or if the dishwasher is CURRENTLY running, I want to stop it immediately). 🤷‍♂️

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                              • dan@discuss.systemsD dan@discuss.systems

                                Can’t wait to find out how this upgrade enhances my dishwasher’s performance.

                                At least it’s not adding new AI features, I guess…

                                mcwabbit@tenforward.socialM This user is from outside of this forum
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                                #16

                                @dan Yet...

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                                • dan@discuss.systemsD dan@discuss.systems

                                  Can’t wait to find out how this upgrade enhances my dishwasher’s performance.

                                  At least it’s not adding new AI features, I guess…

                                  eetschrijver@mastodon.socialE This user is from outside of this forum
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                                  #17

                                  @dan Dishwasher: "Can't run now. Not full enough".

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                                  • someone_else@infosec.exchangeS someone_else@infosec.exchange

                                    @dan
                                    - "My dishwasher is on the internet!"
                                    - "Why is on the internet?"
                                    - "To download software updates!"
                                    - "Why does it need software updates?"
                                    - "To fix security vulnerabilities!"
                                    - "Why would it have security vulnerabilities?"
                                    - "Because it's on the internet!"

                                    8472@norden.social8 This user is from outside of this forum
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                                    8472@norden.social
                                    wrote sidst redigeret af
                                    #18

                                    @someone_else @dan https://www.jeffgeerling.com/blog/2025/i-wont-connect-my-dishwasher-your-stupid-cloud/

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                                    • someone_else@infosec.exchangeS someone_else@infosec.exchange

                                      @dan
                                      - "My dishwasher is on the internet!"
                                      - "Why is on the internet?"
                                      - "To download software updates!"
                                      - "Why does it need software updates?"
                                      - "To fix security vulnerabilities!"
                                      - "Why would it have security vulnerabilities?"
                                      - "Because it's on the internet!"

                                      peritia@alovely.spaceP This user is from outside of this forum
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                                      peritia@alovely.space
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                                      #19

                                      @someone_else
                                      https://infosec.exchange/@someone_else/116095784488701956

                                      This is a little the case with everything these days.

                                      Why did we normalize putting everything online?

                                      Answer:

                                      Cause that way i can push an "update" to make it not work anymore once i sold enough of insert product here
                                      That way they have to buy my new Product

                                      any other answer is a blatant lie change my mind!

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                                      • grahamdowns@mastodon.africaG grahamdowns@mastodon.africa

                                        @someone_else @dan To be fair, being able to use my phone to start it or stop it or check if it's running, even when I'm out, is pretty useful.

                                        Maybe I had set it to start at 12:00, but my house runs through solar and I know the dishwasher uses a lot of power, and now at 11:50 I see it's suddenly gone super overcast and I check my inverter (which is also Internet-connected) and I see it's currently only getting in like 140W where I would've expected 2400W, so I want to abort the timer that starts the dishwasher (or if the dishwasher is CURRENTLY running, I want to stop it immediately). 🤷‍♂️

                                        silberwoelfin@chaos.socialS This user is from outside of this forum
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                                        wrote sidst redigeret af
                                        #20

                                        @GrahamDowns @someone_else @dan Be realistic. When are you actually micromanaging that stuff so precisely? I'd wager, never. Instead, you have an automation set up somewhere that does this automatically for you.
                                        There is no actual technical reason why that "somewhere" would have to be in the "cloud". It should be in your own home, on your own local network, under your control. And if you really do want to check in on anything from outside, use a VPN to connect to your home network.

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                                        • someone_else@infosec.exchangeS someone_else@infosec.exchange

                                          @dan
                                          - "My dishwasher is on the internet!"
                                          - "Why is on the internet?"
                                          - "To download software updates!"
                                          - "Why does it need software updates?"
                                          - "To fix security vulnerabilities!"
                                          - "Why would it have security vulnerabilities?"
                                          - "Because it's on the internet!"

                                          fasnix@fe.disroot.orgF This user is from outside of this forum
                                          fasnix@fe.disroot.orgF This user is from outside of this forum
                                          fasnix@fe.disroot.org
                                          wrote sidst redigeret af
                                          #21
                                          @someone_else
                                          Hey, bist du dir bewusst, dass dein Anzeigename "8941 usw" für Nutzende eines Screenreaders und einer Braillezeile sehr anstrengend wahrzunehmen ist?

                                          Was soll die Zeichenkette überhaupt bedeuten?
                                          Kannst du nicht vielleicht einen anderen kurzen Namen verwenden?
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