You know how to get people to leave platforms run by evil people?
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You know how to get people to leave platforms run by evil people?
Yes, that's right, by offering better alternatives and being super friendly and welcoming and actively working on recruiting people and evangelizing for the better platforms and most importantly by not being chastizing and gatekeeping misers.
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You know how to get people to leave platforms run by evil people?
Yes, that's right, by offering better alternatives and being super friendly and welcoming and actively working on recruiting people and evangelizing for the better platforms and most importantly by not being chastizing and gatekeeping misers.
And this is working, but it's slow progress.
Mastodon in particular has UX problems that will be very hard to overcome that prevent mass adoption, foremost is that actual conversations (aka replies) are unreliable and slow due to the way posts are distributed. Quote post support was a huge first step to remedy this. I hope we'll see more updates on it.
Bluesky got a big chunk of former Twitter users, especially in some niches like for scientists and activists; they have great performance, reliable threading and replies and really amazing featuers like fully custom feeds—but suffer from intransparent moderation and frankly insufferable leadership (still leagues better than Twitter or Facebook though).
(There's more than these, but these are what I use.)
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And this is working, but it's slow progress.
Mastodon in particular has UX problems that will be very hard to overcome that prevent mass adoption, foremost is that actual conversations (aka replies) are unreliable and slow due to the way posts are distributed. Quote post support was a huge first step to remedy this. I hope we'll see more updates on it.
Bluesky got a big chunk of former Twitter users, especially in some niches like for scientists and activists; they have great performance, reliable threading and replies and really amazing featuers like fully custom feeds—but suffer from intransparent moderation and frankly insufferable leadership (still leagues better than Twitter or Facebook though).
(There's more than these, but these are what I use.)
@thomasfuchs I know this is not actual data but from my user POV Bsky (app and website are essentially the same thing) is way, way slower in interaction and especially on first load than any Masto client...
And a lot less useable and featureful (my main gripe is that bsky defaults to "most current post, scroll down" which means I miss most posts because it doesn't keep track of where I was).
Doesn't move the needle of course, just personal gripes/taste.
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And this is working, but it's slow progress.
Mastodon in particular has UX problems that will be very hard to overcome that prevent mass adoption, foremost is that actual conversations (aka replies) are unreliable and slow due to the way posts are distributed. Quote post support was a huge first step to remedy this. I hope we'll see more updates on it.
Bluesky got a big chunk of former Twitter users, especially in some niches like for scientists and activists; they have great performance, reliable threading and replies and really amazing featuers like fully custom feeds—but suffer from intransparent moderation and frankly insufferable leadership (still leagues better than Twitter or Facebook though).
(There's more than these, but these are what I use.)
@thomasfuchs Bluesky despite 300 char limit and no edit, does have a few good features such as custom feeds and starter packs.
Mastodon, seen through https://elk.zone/home works well.
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@thomasfuchs Bluesky despite 300 char limit and no edit, does have a few good features such as custom feeds and starter packs.
Mastodon, seen through https://elk.zone/home works well.
@randulo mastodon suffers from Linux syndrome, the first-run experience should be as nice as the elk client, yet instead the default web interface is slow (especially on first load) and very clunky especially for the most important feature, posting.
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And this is working, but it's slow progress.
Mastodon in particular has UX problems that will be very hard to overcome that prevent mass adoption, foremost is that actual conversations (aka replies) are unreliable and slow due to the way posts are distributed. Quote post support was a huge first step to remedy this. I hope we'll see more updates on it.
Bluesky got a big chunk of former Twitter users, especially in some niches like for scientists and activists; they have great performance, reliable threading and replies and really amazing featuers like fully custom feeds—but suffer from intransparent moderation and frankly insufferable leadership (still leagues better than Twitter or Facebook though).
(There's more than these, but these are what I use.)
@thomasfuchs Wait, wasn’t post reply fetching addressed in one of the last Mastodon updates? I think it’s this: https://github.com/mastodon/mastodon/pull/32615
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@thomasfuchs Wait, wasn’t post reply fetching addressed in one of the last Mastodon updates? I think it’s this: https://github.com/mastodon/mastodon/pull/32615
@VojtechHorky It's getting better but it's still broken in other ways.
Really the most sensible solution would be intermediary aggregation so especially smaller servers can fetch replies more efficiently.
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@VojtechHorky It's getting better but it's still broken in other ways.
Really the most sensible solution would be intermediary aggregation so especially smaller servers can fetch replies more efficiently.
@VojtechHorky The real issue is unfortunately the underlying protocol, I'm unsure if this can be overcome without breaking backwards-compatibility.
Perhaps they could add a second, more efficient protocol and slowly migrate to it.
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@randulo mastodon suffers from Linux syndrome, the first-run experience should be as nice as the elk client, yet instead the default web interface is slow (especially on first load) and very clunky especially for the most important feature, posting.
@thomasfuchs Maybe tell interested people to use elk? We (users) can only do so much. Maybe more needs to be widely published in places ther average person might read. No idea where that is, but the cyclical articles like Wired or Verge about Mastodon should go deep enough to mention better clients.
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You know how to get people to leave platforms run by evil people?
Yes, that's right, by offering better alternatives and being super friendly and welcoming and actively working on recruiting people and evangelizing for the better platforms and most importantly by not being chastizing and gatekeeping misers.
@thomasfuchs I agree and think better alternatives are crucial here. However, the article below surfaced the other day and got me thinking it may not just be about the quality of alternatives anymore.
https://connectedplaces.online/reports/a-power-problem-not-a-platform-problem/
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