> I am a 15-year-old girl.
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@neil Sadly not just social media. Same is as true in the press (where female chancellors get mocked as Rachel from accounts, or for their outfits) - I'm not sure social media is the source of the problem somehow.
Likewise I think a social media ban is a bad idea (and a disaster for disabled kids) - we need to actually fix social media, which means like a pub some people need to be shown the door and told not to come back
@etchedpixels @neil "Rachel from Accounts" is a riff on the Aussies' "Scotty from Marketing".
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> I am a 15-year-old girl. Let me show you the vile misogyny that confronts me on social media every day
The examples included here are horrible. Not just the sex-shaming, but that too.
I'm far from convinced that a social media ban is the answer, but the comment is still well worth reading - especially by men.
@neil we've got to find a way to make society in general consider women as people rather than as objects.
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@neil Sadly not just social media. Same is as true in the press (where female chancellors get mocked as Rachel from accounts, or for their outfits) - I'm not sure social media is the source of the problem somehow.
Likewise I think a social media ban is a bad idea (and a disaster for disabled kids) - we need to actually fix social media, which means like a pub some people need to be shown the door and told not to come back
@etchedpixels @neil while I agree fully with the sentiment, I've shied away from pub comparisons due to the awkward fact that unaccompanied minors are banned from them.
It's probably closer to banning children from the park because there might be a bad man lurking in the bushes...
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@etchedpixels @neil "Rachel from Accounts" is a riff on the Aussies' "Scotty from Marketing".
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Body shaming is very much common place, directed towards many women, not just something directed to women in positions of power!
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@etchedpixels @neil while I agree fully with the sentiment, I've shied away from pub comparisons due to the awkward fact that unaccompanied minors are banned from them.
It's probably closer to banning children from the park because there might be a bad man lurking in the bushes...
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@etchedpixels @neil for sure, it's that really dodgy park with all the broken bottles and needles - I'm not saying the park isn't a problem, just that banning minors rather misses the problem.
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> I am a 15-year-old girl. Let me show you the vile misogyny that confronts me on social media every day
The examples included here are horrible. Not just the sex-shaming, but that too.
I'm far from convinced that a social media ban is the answer, but the comment is still well worth reading - especially by men.
Social media is dangerous so ban children rather than blame the companies (and their founders) for dangerous products. Same tactic as plastic is dangerous so shame individuals into recycling rather than blame the plastic makers. Billionaires are good at making "consumers" responsible for their bad products.
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> I am a 15-year-old girl. Let me show you the vile misogyny that confronts me on social media every day
The examples included here are horrible. Not just the sex-shaming, but that too.
I'm far from convinced that a social media ban is the answer, but the comment is still well worth reading - especially by men.
@neil Name and shame, I say - the problem isn't that they're young (I remember old warehouse guys throwing hissies about losing their girlie pics in the locker room decades ago). It's that they suffer no consequences.
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@neil maybe instead of banning 15 yo girls (or any minors) from social media, we should ban the poor excuses for humans doing this.
@matus_chochlik @neil this
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@neil Name and shame, I say - the problem isn't that they're young (I remember old warehouse guys throwing hissies about losing their girlie pics in the locker room decades ago). It's that they suffer no consequences.
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> I am a 15-year-old girl. Let me show you the vile misogyny that confronts me on social media every day
The examples included here are horrible. Not just the sex-shaming, but that too.
I'm far from convinced that a social media ban is the answer, but the comment is still well worth reading - especially by men.
I am increasingly convinced social media ban IS the answer. Not a ban for under-16, but a total ban. Commercial social media just quite simply has to be burned to the ground, no one even tries to run it safely any more.
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@jima @neil
Which communities? The "friends" are not friends most of the time, they are digital relations, they ignore you as soon as the conversation is finished.
If you want to be part of communitie, join a group in real life, with people taking care of each other, where real interaction with body language is much more rich than a digital one. -
> I am a 15-year-old girl. Let me show you the vile misogyny that confronts me on social media every day
The examples included here are horrible. Not just the sex-shaming, but that too.
I'm far from convinced that a social media ban is the answer, but the comment is still well worth reading - especially by men.
@neil It's a terrible argument for age restrictions. It's not good for adults either when this stuff flourishes. Get the law makers out there and regulate this shit. Make companies responsible if they don't find effective mitigations.
It's difficult to get the hands on these abusers. But the company can certainly work on this, block content with certain slurs.
If they can figure out how to differentiate a male from a female nipple, they can figure out verbal abuse especially in times of LLMs.
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@jima @neil
Which communities? The "friends" are not friends most of the time, they are digital relations, they ignore you as soon as the conversation is finished.
If you want to be part of communitie, join a group in real life, with people taking care of each other, where real interaction with body language is much more rich than a digital one. -
I am increasingly convinced social media ban IS the answer. Not a ban for under-16, but a total ban. Commercial social media just quite simply has to be burned to the ground, no one even tries to run it safely any more.
@neil@osma @neil The difficulty one runs into is how you define social media. It seems obvious, but it really isn't once you dig into it. What actually counts as social media? Facebook, Instagram, TikTok, etc are all pretty obvious. Reddit, I guess. YouTube, presumably. Snapchat? WhatsApp? Yeah, maybe. Signal? Online forums? Usenet? Email lists? Anything where users can interact with other users? It gets tricky quite quickly.
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@osma @neil The difficulty one runs into is how you define social media. It seems obvious, but it really isn't once you dig into it. What actually counts as social media? Facebook, Instagram, TikTok, etc are all pretty obvious. Reddit, I guess. YouTube, presumably. Snapchat? WhatsApp? Yeah, maybe. Signal? Online forums? Usenet? Email lists? Anything where users can interact with other users? It gets tricky quite quickly.
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@neil Fair - although I'd argue it's less draconian than if you defined it as "email and instant messaging and forums and usenet and matrix and smoke signals and carrier pigeons", inasmuch as it leaves more alternative options open.
