The names of the abusers are in the files.
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@aburtch The most shocking thing about Epstein is the reaction of the American society. Everyone continues their lives like nothing is happening. Since you see that your parties and your institutions are either powerless or complicit, why don't you do something different? Why not try to organize from the bottom and replace them with systems that can hold these people accountable? Where is this inability coming from?
@JakeKb Same reaction for ICE being literal Nazi's a whole lot of complacency…
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The names of the abusers are in the files. There are graphic descriptions of what they did with underage girls. Where are the arrests? Where are the prosecutions?
We’re all just supposed to pretend this is ok and allow them all to walk away?
Society is over. Literal pedophiles can have sex with your children, retain their place in society, and not suffer any consequences.
The #Epstein class needs to be permanently abolished. Prosecute them, take their assets, and lock them in jail forever. Every. Single. One.
@aburtch It is breathtakingly all wrong. All while completely innocent people get killed for no tangible reason in cold blood.
Sue the government. Might there be at least a few philanthropic billionaires who can kick start that?
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@SharonCrockett There should be no place for pedophiles in our society. Doesn't matter who or what background they come from.
@aburtch My understanding is that there is at least one prime minister whose name showed up in the un redacted documents. I don’t care if his reputation is destroyed if his name is un redacted. The sexually abused young girls’ lives have already been destroyed.
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The names of the abusers are in the files. There are graphic descriptions of what they did with underage girls. Where are the arrests? Where are the prosecutions?
We’re all just supposed to pretend this is ok and allow them all to walk away?
Society is over. Literal pedophiles can have sex with your children, retain their place in society, and not suffer any consequences.
The #Epstein class needs to be permanently abolished. Prosecute them, take their assets, and lock them in jail forever. Every. Single. One.
@aburtch > Prosecute them, take their assets, and lock them in jail forever.
These are the kinds of punishments the Epstein class controls.
Are you asking the Epstein class to punish the Epstein class?
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@aburtch They seem to have calculated correctly that most people won't actually look at the files, and simply consume reporting on them, which is of course slanted as the abusers own most of the media agencies.
I read just two pages and that was more than enough info for me. Roll out the guillotines.
@FlashMobOfOne @aburtch
You said, "guillotines."
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@ClintonAnderson All the more reason for a full prosecution.
The law? These people made The Law.
The Masters Tools will never dismantle The Masters house.
The entire Pedophile Class needs to be measured from the tallest trees.
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@aburtch Hello, sorry to step into this emotionally charged conversation without earned context to ask, but I'm curious of all people, not necessarily you in particular... because I agree, society is over. But what is going to replace it?
@Netraven @aburtch IMHO every suggestion you offer needs to start from a crucial problem: power is a positive feedback.
The more power you have, the easier it is to influence the rest of society to give you even more power.By reading anthropology, my impression is that the only societies that managed to avoid this problem in the long term are those whose culture deliberately sees the accumulation of power as a threat.
So we may want to start from there.
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@aburtch > Prosecute them, take their assets, and lock them in jail forever.
These are the kinds of punishments the Epstein class controls.
Are you asking the Epstein class to punish the Epstein class?
You will be disappointed.@forse Agreed. We either have to elect new leaders (which they won't allow either) or take care of it by force. But being an armchair revolutionary isn't very helpful for society.
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@Netraven @aburtch IMHO every suggestion you offer needs to start from a crucial problem: power is a positive feedback.
The more power you have, the easier it is to influence the rest of society to give you even more power.By reading anthropology, my impression is that the only societies that managed to avoid this problem in the long term are those whose culture deliberately sees the accumulation of power as a threat.
So we may want to start from there.
@Netraven @aburtch From this point of view, capitalism fails on two points:
1. by definition capitalism must divide society those who control "the means of production" and those who don't, and that already divides society in those with a lot of power and those without.
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@Netraven @aburtch IMHO every suggestion you offer needs to start from a crucial problem: power is a positive feedback.
The more power you have, the easier it is to influence the rest of society to give you even more power.By reading anthropology, my impression is that the only societies that managed to avoid this problem in the long term are those whose culture deliberately sees the accumulation of power as a threat.
So we may want to start from there.
@forse @aburtch
Or perhaps even further back, to semantics of self, identity, and agency. It must not be easier for people or institutions to increase ambiguity in order to keep as many exit options admissible as possible, because that is the most dominant failure mode of civilization. Once it becomes cheap to produce coherency, and reduce perceived risk, the argument is already won. Whether we like the outcome or not. The system begins optimizing to reduce the outcomes of failure, but not the failure itself and without introducing ground truth or feedback that would have kept institutions from failing to come in contact reality in the first place and producing this fine mess. -
The names of the abusers are in the files. There are graphic descriptions of what they did with underage girls. Where are the arrests? Where are the prosecutions?
We’re all just supposed to pretend this is ok and allow them all to walk away?
Society is over. Literal pedophiles can have sex with your children, retain their place in society, and not suffer any consequences.
The #Epstein class needs to be permanently abolished. Prosecute them, take their assets, and lock them in jail forever. Every. Single. One.
@aburtch in the rest o the world just knowing Epstein means losing you job at the least. In the USa- nothing at all as the rich control the law
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@forse Agreed. We either have to elect new leaders (which they won't allow either) or take care of it by force. But being an armchair revolutionary isn't very helpful for society.
@aburtch Fair.
I fear force is not entirely avoidable, mostly because our enemy has made the choice for us BUT I think there is a third option, which is "community building" or "mutual aid networks" or "power from below" or however you want to call it.
A wonderful example of it we're seeing right now in Minnesota, with the general strike and neighbors organizing together to make ICE violence much, much more costly.
And they are doing this in a very decentralized way, independently from any particular leader and from elected officials.It's not glamorous, it requires to put your body on the line and it's a war of attrition, but... It gets the goods?
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@JakeKb Same reaction for ICE being literal Nazi's a whole lot of complacency…
@aburtch @JakeKb I'm not really seeing that at all. Everyone I know is shook to their core. It's just that they still have to put food on the table and make sure the kids' brains don't explode, so they try to retain some normalcy and income. But people are organizing, people are trying different things. The revolution will not be digitized--it's on the street. The tech lords and media are part of the fascist regime. The organizing won't be on social media. I recommend getting into zines.
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@aburtch Fair.
I fear force is not entirely avoidable, mostly because our enemy has made the choice for us BUT I think there is a third option, which is "community building" or "mutual aid networks" or "power from below" or however you want to call it.
A wonderful example of it we're seeing right now in Minnesota, with the general strike and neighbors organizing together to make ICE violence much, much more costly.
And they are doing this in a very decentralized way, independently from any particular leader and from elected officials.It's not glamorous, it requires to put your body on the line and it's a war of attrition, but... It gets the goods?
@forse What they’ve been doing in Minneapolis gives me hope.
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The names of the abusers are in the files. There are graphic descriptions of what they did with underage girls. Where are the arrests? Where are the prosecutions?
We’re all just supposed to pretend this is ok and allow them all to walk away?
Society is over. Literal pedophiles can have sex with your children, retain their place in society, and not suffer any consequences.
The #Epstein class needs to be permanently abolished. Prosecute them, take their assets, and lock them in jail forever. Every. Single. One.
@aburtch Without consequences there is no deterrent and without deterrent there will be absolutely no change.
Anyone who considers no change to be acceptable is on the side of the guilty whether they believe it or not.
Any country not instigating its own version of the Nuremberg trials on this is lost. Make your voice heard if you don’t want to live like feudal peasants completely owned by the rich. -
@forse @aburtch
Or perhaps even further back, to semantics of self, identity, and agency. It must not be easier for people or institutions to increase ambiguity in order to keep as many exit options admissible as possible, because that is the most dominant failure mode of civilization. Once it becomes cheap to produce coherency, and reduce perceived risk, the argument is already won. Whether we like the outcome or not. The system begins optimizing to reduce the outcomes of failure, but not the failure itself and without introducing ground truth or feedback that would have kept institutions from failing to come in contact reality in the first place and producing this fine mess. -
@forse @aburtch
Sorry, what I’m saying is that a lot of problems start when people or institutions deliberately stay vague. They do this so they don’t have to fully commit to anything and can always back out later. That kind of ambiguity feels safe in the short term, but over time it’s one of the main ways societies break down.Once it becomes cheap or easy to look coherent and responsible, without actually being grounded in reality, the system stops trying to solve real problems. Instead, it just tries to avoid blame and reduce obvious failures. There’s no solid feedback loop to tell institutions, “this isn’t working,” so they drift further away from reality. That’s how we end up with systems that seem stable on the surface but are failing underneath.
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The names of the abusers are in the files. There are graphic descriptions of what they did with underage girls. Where are the arrests? Where are the prosecutions?
We’re all just supposed to pretend this is ok and allow them all to walk away?
Society is over. Literal pedophiles can have sex with your children, retain their place in society, and not suffer any consequences.
The #Epstein class needs to be permanently abolished. Prosecute them, take their assets, and lock them in jail forever. Every. Single. One.
@aburtch Every. Single. Fucking. One. Don't care WHO they are or what I previously believed about them.
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The names of the abusers are in the files. There are graphic descriptions of what they did with underage girls. Where are the arrests? Where are the prosecutions?
We’re all just supposed to pretend this is ok and allow them all to walk away?
Society is over. Literal pedophiles can have sex with your children, retain their place in society, and not suffer any consequences.
The #Epstein class needs to be permanently abolished. Prosecute them, take their assets, and lock them in jail forever. Every. Single. One.
@aburtch If the evidence is so clear, I'm certain that the victims or the relatives of the victims are preparing law suits as we speak. Just remain calm, and all will be well.
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@forse Agreed. We either have to elect new leaders (which they won't allow either) or take care of it by force. But being an armchair revolutionary isn't very helpful for society.
