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  3. As there seems to have been recent confusion about this, just a quick "official" toot to then pin: we haven't and won't support "generative AI" related stuff in LibreWolf.

As there seems to have been recent confusion about this, just a quick "official" toot to then pin: we haven't and won't support "generative AI" related stuff in LibreWolf.

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  • librewolf@chaos.socialL librewolf@chaos.social

    As there seems to have been recent confusion about this, just a quick "official" toot to then pin: we haven't and won't support "generative AI" related stuff in LibreWolf. If you see some features like that (like Perplexity search recently, or the link preview feature now) it is solely because it "slipped through". As soon as we become aware of something like this / it gets reported to us, we will remove/disable it ASAP.

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    @librewolf How does it slip through? I am not a programer but it seems like a security issue if functional codes can be injected without you knowing. What else has slipped through?

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    • microplastics101@mstdn.socialM microplastics101@mstdn.social

      @librewolf How does it slip through? I am not a programer but it seems like a security issue if functional codes can be injected without you knowing. What else has slipped through?

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      @Microplastics101 @librewolf - It absolutely is a security issue, but this is a situation where it's the best we can get.

      Librewolf works by forking the main project (which is toxic but not as toxic as Chromium projects) and trying to scrub the bad stuff out.

      That sucks (as a concept) and it's a tough job, but there just isnt a better alternative now.

      There just aren't any clean Web Browser Engines that are fully functional and useful now. We have hope for other projects building separate web browser engines but those aren't ready yet. We are stuck with Mozilla's Firefox and Google's Chrome/Chromium as the only two engines to build off of.

      The best we have is the heroic team at LibreWolf and a very few other similar projects trying to filter out the poison so we can injest it without hurting as much than if we injested the main fully poisonous core project.

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      • tinker@infosec.exchangeT tinker@infosec.exchange

        @Microplastics101 @librewolf - It absolutely is a security issue, but this is a situation where it's the best we can get.

        Librewolf works by forking the main project (which is toxic but not as toxic as Chromium projects) and trying to scrub the bad stuff out.

        That sucks (as a concept) and it's a tough job, but there just isnt a better alternative now.

        There just aren't any clean Web Browser Engines that are fully functional and useful now. We have hope for other projects building separate web browser engines but those aren't ready yet. We are stuck with Mozilla's Firefox and Google's Chrome/Chromium as the only two engines to build off of.

        The best we have is the heroic team at LibreWolf and a very few other similar projects trying to filter out the poison so we can injest it without hurting as much than if we injested the main fully poisonous core project.

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        @tinker @librewolf What about Tor, brave and vivaldi? Are they better/different?

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        • microplastics101@mstdn.socialM microplastics101@mstdn.social

          @tinker @librewolf What about Tor, brave and vivaldi? Are they better/different?

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          @Microplastics101 @tinker @librewolf
          The Tor Browser is a Firefox ESR, configured for maximum privacy and to use the Tor network.
          The others are based on Chrom(e/ium) or Chrome's Blink engine, and only marginally better that Chrome itself.

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          • mercutio@troet.cafeM mercutio@troet.cafe

            @Microplastics101 @tinker @librewolf
            The Tor Browser is a Firefox ESR, configured for maximum privacy and to use the Tor network.
            The others are based on Chrom(e/ium) or Chrome's Blink engine, and only marginally better that Chrome itself.

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            @Mercutio @tinker @librewolf Is it that hard to build a browser? Cant be too hard, Microsoft even managed it. Must be someone has built an open source browser not based on either of them.

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            • microplastics101@mstdn.socialM microplastics101@mstdn.social

              @Mercutio @tinker @librewolf Is it that hard to build a browser? Cant be too hard, Microsoft even managed it. Must be someone has built an open source browser not based on either of them.

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              @Microplastics101 @Mercutio @librewolf - Microsoft Edge is a fork of Google Chrome/Chromium

              Yes, it is that hard.

              The modern web runs full blown applications within a sandboxed browser. It's massively complex. Front End (what the user sees) and backend (what does all the heavy computing on the server side).

              There *are* efforts to build new browser engines separate from Firefox/Chrome but they are underfunded and understaffed. Its firefox (paid for massively by Google donations) and Google proper. That's it.

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              • tinker@infosec.exchangeT tinker@infosec.exchange

                @Microplastics101 @Mercutio @librewolf - Microsoft Edge is a fork of Google Chrome/Chromium

                Yes, it is that hard.

                The modern web runs full blown applications within a sandboxed browser. It's massively complex. Front End (what the user sees) and backend (what does all the heavy computing on the server side).

                There *are* efforts to build new browser engines separate from Firefox/Chrome but they are underfunded and understaffed. Its firefox (paid for massively by Google donations) and Google proper. That's it.

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                @tinker @Mercutio @librewolf Seems like theres an opening for a browser. Id pay for it if it is truly secure. Sandbox the cookies.

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                • microplastics101@mstdn.socialM microplastics101@mstdn.social

                  @tinker @Mercutio @librewolf Seems like theres an opening for a browser. Id pay for it if it is truly secure. Sandbox the cookies.

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                  @Microplastics101 @tinker @Mercutio @librewolf Servo has already been mentioned by someone else - Ladybird is another option. They aren't stable/fully featured yet, but with more funding they may get there quicker.

                  Edit: Disregard my suggestion - see the comments.

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                  • marcusxms@helvede.netM marcusxms@helvede.net

                    @Microplastics101 @tinker @Mercutio @librewolf Servo has already been mentioned by someone else - Ladybird is another option. They aren't stable/fully featured yet, but with more funding they may get there quicker.

                    Edit: Disregard my suggestion - see the comments.

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                    @marcusxms @Microplastics101 @tinker @Mercutio @librewolf Neither work yet, but Servo is worth supporting. Ladybird is openly MAGA, so consider accordingly

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                    • davidgerard@circumstances.runD davidgerard@circumstances.run

                      @marcusxms @Microplastics101 @tinker @Mercutio @librewolf Neither work yet, but Servo is worth supporting. Ladybird is openly MAGA, so consider accordingly

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                      @davidgerard @Microplastics101 @tinker @Mercutio @librewolf WTF I did not know that?! Thanks for saying so! I won't suggest them anymore, then. Where are they saying this?

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                      • marcusxms@helvede.netM marcusxms@helvede.net

                        @davidgerard @Microplastics101 @tinker @Mercutio @librewolf WTF I did not know that?! Thanks for saying so! I won't suggest them anymore, then. Where are they saying this?

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                        @davidgerard @Microplastics101 @tinker @Mercutio @librewolf Okay, I read some of his tweets and already have enough reason not to promote it - thanks for the heads up!

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                        • marcusxms@helvede.netM marcusxms@helvede.net

                          @davidgerard @Microplastics101 @tinker @Mercutio @librewolf Okay, I read some of his tweets and already have enough reason not to promote it - thanks for the heads up!

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                          @marcusxms @Microplastics101 @tinker @Mercutio @librewolf

                          and I'd just compiled some receipts for you on Kling/Ladybird going MAGA 😄 this may be handy for others

                          some notes in this post on fashtech https://awful.systems/post/5833209

                          endorses white replacement theory https://archive.is/ZtQpj

                          RIP Charlie Kirk https://nitter.net/awesomekling/status/1966456391146606806

                          endorsing DHH's straight up fascism https://nitter.net/awesomekling/status/1969350008538370216

                          this stuff is just what kling does now

                          fashtech funding knocked on the door, Kling put on his red baseball cap and took ladybird out on the road

                          anyway, donate to servo

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