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Open Source hot take: A software project is allowed to be *done*.

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  • tante@tldr.nettime.orgT tante@tldr.nettime.org

    Open Source hot take: A software project is allowed to be *done*. Not everything needs to add features or rewrite things. You can just be happy with functionality and focus on just maintainance. "Maintenance mode" is not always bad but can just show a mature product.

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    @tante This. I have thought this so often. "Oh this project is dead, if only does bug fixes." My brother in christ, its an image viewer! Wtf do you think it will become?!

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    • mirabilos@toot.mirbsd.orgM mirabilos@toot.mirbsd.org

      @tante yes! This!

      I had people question a project because it had no release for six months (despite even commit activity)…

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      @mirabilos @tante A project without a release every six months is considered dead now?

      In a way I have seen it myself as well, where I posted something like 'until further notice'. But the readers believed the message to be invalid as the notice was from last year.

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      • tante@tldr.nettime.orgT tante@tldr.nettime.org

        Open Source hot take: A software project is allowed to be *done*. Not everything needs to add features or rewrite things. You can just be happy with functionality and focus on just maintainance. "Maintenance mode" is not always bad but can just show a mature product.

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        #124

        @tante hotter take: finished projects should have their reasoning specified, including goals and implementation details

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        • tante@tldr.nettime.orgT tante@tldr.nettime.org

          Open Source hot take: A software project is allowed to be *done*. Not everything needs to add features or rewrite things. You can just be happy with functionality and focus on just maintainance. "Maintenance mode" is not always bad but can just show a mature product.

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          #125

          @tante There needs to be a differentiator though to not mistake "done" with "abandoned" or plain dormant.

          I found this podcast episode to be helpful to sort this field:
          Abandoned open source with Josh Marpet

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          • tante@tldr.nettime.orgT tante@tldr.nettime.org

            Open Source hot take: A software project is allowed to be *done*. Not everything needs to add features or rewrite things. You can just be happy with functionality and focus on just maintainance. "Maintenance mode" is not always bad but can just show a mature product.

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            #126

            @tante i agree, but it has to move at least as fast as its dependencies

            newer library versions need to be incorporated, deprecated programming language features need to be replaced

            so there is an inherent speed up when you go down the dependency tree

            now matter the volume of changes, one could however still call this "done" as long as no new features are added

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            • hllizi@hespere.deH hllizi@hespere.de

              @mirabilos
              Of course, but it's not in the hands of the maintainer of any given piece of software anymore if they don't want to provide patches for old dependencies themselves so they won't have to change the code of the software itself.
              @tante @leonid

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              #127

              @hllizi @tante @leonid do you know how often I became maintainer of something because I was the last remaining user? *shrug*

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              • hbons@mastodon.socialH hbons@mastodon.social

                @tante more projects should add a “what-it’s-not” list next to the feature list.

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                #128

                @hbons @tante

                So "EMACS is just an editor" would have seen it finished by about 1978... 🤔 🤪

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                • mirabilos@toot.mirbsd.orgM mirabilos@toot.mirbsd.org

                  @hllizi @tante @leonid do you know how often I became maintainer of something because I was the last remaining user? *shrug*

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                  #129

                  @mirabilos
                  That's admirable but maybe not a model that works for everyone. 😃
                  @tante @leonid

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                  • hllizi@hespere.deH hllizi@hespere.de

                    @mirabilos
                    That's admirable but maybe not a model that works for everyone. 😃
                    @tante @leonid

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                    #130

                    @hllizi @tante @leonid if your software has a dependency, this is on the horizon implicitly

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                    • mirabilos@toot.mirbsd.orgM mirabilos@toot.mirbsd.org

                      @hllizi @tante @leonid if your software has a dependency, this is on the horizon implicitly

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                      #131

                      @mirabilos

                      If it's the only possibility to keep the software running at all, of course, but just in order to keep the software running with an older version of the dependency so that you won't have to adjust the software itself?

                      @tante @leonid

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                      • hllizi@hespere.deH hllizi@hespere.de

                        @mirabilos

                        If it's the only possibility to keep the software running at all, of course, but just in order to keep the software running with an older version of the dependency so that you won't have to adjust the software itself?

                        @tante @leonid

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                        #132

                        @hllizi @tante @leonid at that point it becomes a consideration, of course; but sometimes, there is no newer version

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                        • mirabilos@toot.mirbsd.orgM mirabilos@toot.mirbsd.org

                          @hllizi @tante @leonid at that point it becomes a consideration, of course; but sometimes, there is no newer version

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                          @mirabilos
                          That's another thing of course, in this case there will hardly be any other option.
                          @tante @leonid

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                          • tante@tldr.nettime.orgT tante@tldr.nettime.org

                            Open Source hot take: A software project is allowed to be *done*. Not everything needs to add features or rewrite things. You can just be happy with functionality and focus on just maintainance. "Maintenance mode" is not always bad but can just show a mature product.

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                            #134

                            @tante i feel i've seen this take enough times by now that it's pretty cold, actually

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                            • entailment@woof.techE entailment@woof.tech

                              @tante i feel i've seen this take enough times by now that it's pretty cold, actually

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                              @entailment @tante it can still be hot if we keep feeding the fire with fresh fuel

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                              • tante@tldr.nettime.orgT tante@tldr.nettime.org

                                Open Source hot take: A software project is allowed to be *done*. Not everything needs to add features or rewrite things. You can just be happy with functionality and focus on just maintainance. "Maintenance mode" is not always bad but can just show a mature product.

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                                #136

                                @tante

                                Somehow even ls(1) has gotten progressively more annoying over the years I've been using Linux.

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