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  • jon@gruene.socialJ jon@gruene.social

    Also the guy was genuinely surprised to get pushed. No I do not want border controls here damn it. #Schengen

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    #4

    In the end systematic work about #Schengen - same as I’ve done with #CrossBorderRail - would be useful here. To show not only how costly and discriminatory and disruptive this all is, but that *it doesn’t work*

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    • jon@gruene.socialJ jon@gruene.social

      Also the guy was genuinely surprised to get pushed. No I do not want border controls here damn it. #Schengen

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      #5

      Anyway. Welcome to Denmark 😉

      And I absolutely agree with the above sentiment. It's rotten.

      By now I have an unfortunate amount of experience with the Danish border guards. They're very different than the Germans in that the Danes actively engage in dialogue: and often with really bad and (borderline-) racist arguments that they don't expect people to disagree with.

      @jon

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      • jon@gruene.socialJ jon@gruene.social

        Also the guy was genuinely surprised to get pushed. No I do not want border controls here damn it. #Schengen

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        #6

        They took one dude off the train #Schengen

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        • jon@gruene.socialJ jon@gruene.social

          In the end systematic work about #Schengen - same as I’ve done with #CrossBorderRail - would be useful here. To show not only how costly and discriminatory and disruptive this all is, but that *it doesn’t work*

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          #7

          @jon The big problem is that those responsible for it will not listen to facts, and interpret whether it works more on whether it shifts votes to the right than whether it stops illegal migration.

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          • jon@gruene.socialJ jon@gruene.social

            Also the guy was genuinely surprised to get pushed. No I do not want border controls here damn it. #Schengen

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            #8

            @jon Thank you for sharing this! 11 years of useless "temporary" border control, and extension renewed each 6 month/each year without objections at all from the rest of EU (except Flensburg and Schleswig-Holstein, sending a complaint every time the control is to be extended).

            It costs a fortune, it doesn't work, it's totally inefficient but the politicians feel good about it and can show off to their electors. It's rotten and it's sad.

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            • veronique_d@mastodon.greenV veronique_d@mastodon.green

              @jon Thank you for sharing this! 11 years of useless "temporary" border control, and extension renewed each 6 month/each year without objections at all from the rest of EU (except Flensburg and Schleswig-Holstein, sending a complaint every time the control is to be extended).

              It costs a fortune, it doesn't work, it's totally inefficient but the politicians feel good about it and can show off to their electors. It's rotten and it's sad.

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              #9

              @Veronique_D and if you cross the border on a small lane likely there’ll be no check.

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              • jon@gruene.socialJ jon@gruene.social

                They took one dude off the train #Schengen

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                #10

                I’m pretty sure that if you controlled any train of 400 passengers, anywhere, you’d find 1 person with the wrong papers #Schengen

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                • pepijn@mastodon.onlineP pepijn@mastodon.online

                  Anyway. Welcome to Denmark 😉

                  And I absolutely agree with the above sentiment. It's rotten.

                  By now I have an unfortunate amount of experience with the Danish border guards. They're very different than the Germans in that the Danes actively engage in dialogue: and often with really bad and (borderline-) racist arguments that they don't expect people to disagree with.

                  @jon

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                  #11

                  @Pepijn @jon Yes, that would chime with our experience too.

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                  • jon@gruene.socialJ jon@gruene.social

                    They took one dude off the train #Schengen

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                    #12

                    @jon On one of my crossing from Germany to Denmark in March a white lady got to ride onwards without an ID, but a family with a hijab-wearing mother all got thrown off. 🤨

                    I feel soooo safe with these old military guys and armed cops throwing off families.

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                    • jon@gruene.socialJ jon@gruene.social

                      I’m pretty sure that if you controlled any train of 400 passengers, anywhere, you’d find 1 person with the wrong papers #Schengen

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                      #13

                      @jon usually 1 out of 30 or 40. In most cases, one bus of people is enough tp find someone

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                      • jon@gruene.socialJ jon@gruene.social

                        I’m pretty sure that if you controlled any train of 400 passengers, anywhere, you’d find 1 person with the wrong papers #Schengen

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                        #14

                        @jon Sure, the point is of-course that we shouldn't care about people's papers though.

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                        • wmd@chaos.socialW wmd@chaos.social

                          @jon Sure, the point is of-course that we shouldn't care about people's papers though.

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                          @wmd Right. But the point is simply controlling at borders makes just as little sense as not at borders!

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                          • jon@gruene.socialJ jon@gruene.social

                            “You just see this train” he goes on. “You don’t see what I see in 8 hours”

                            No. You don’t see most of what happens because you don’t control every car

                            Oh and you didn’t control my ID properly anyway, you piece of shit destroying a border free Europe on behalf of your smug piece of shit political bosses

                            #Schengen

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                            #16

                            @jon ”You just see this train”, he said not knowing exactly who he was speaking to 😅

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                            • jon@gruene.socialJ jon@gruene.social

                              @Veronique_D and if you cross the border on a small lane likely there’ll be no check.

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                              #17

                              @jon I assume anyone who does have "something to hide" and still wants or needs to do train travel just takes the Niebüll - Tønder route. No checks at all and the scenery is nicer as well.

                              @Veronique_D

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                              • jon@gruene.socialJ jon@gruene.social

                                @wmd Right. But the point is simply controlling at borders makes just as little sense as not at borders!

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                                #18

                                @jon ah like that. yes. the location probably has no impact.

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                                • jon@gruene.socialJ jon@gruene.social

                                  @Veronique_D and if you cross the border on a small lane likely there’ll be no check.

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                                  #19

                                  @jon we crossed on our bikes through the woods, following a path, 200 m from the border control: it's so low key that we didn't notice we had passed the border. Border control is a joke.

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                                  • markus@skvip.lolM markus@skvip.lol

                                    @jon On one of my crossing from Germany to Denmark in March a white lady got to ride onwards without an ID, but a family with a hijab-wearing mother all got thrown off. 🤨

                                    I feel soooo safe with these old military guys and armed cops throwing off families.

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                                    @markus Twice now I've been "checked & cleared" by showing my toddlers passport. It's not even the correct nationality.

                                    Another time I was "checked & cleared" with my old passport. Which has holes stamped all the way through.

                                    I've also seen two rather dark skinned Spanish 'youngsters' who were interrogated for almost ten minutes as they had their ID cards in a sleeve saying "fuck the police". There was nothing wrong with their ID cards.

                                    (I'm a very white guy, often with my laptop out)

                                    @jon

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                                    • veronique_d@mastodon.greenV veronique_d@mastodon.green

                                      @jon we crossed on our bikes through the woods, following a path, 200 m from the border control: it's so low key that we didn't notice we had passed the border. Border control is a joke.

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                                      #21

                                      @Veronique_D right. Seen that dozens of times. I think I’ve never been checked on a bike!

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                                      • jon@gruene.socialJ jon@gruene.social

                                        @Veronique_D right. Seen that dozens of times. I think I’ve never been checked on a bike!

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                                        @jon @Veronique_D

                                        Same. We toured by bike from Rostock to Denmark and Sweden and back to Rostock and no one checked anything.

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                                        • jon@gruene.socialJ jon@gruene.social

                                          I’m pretty sure that if you controlled any train of 400 passengers, anywhere, you’d find 1 person with the wrong papers #Schengen

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                                          #23

                                          @jon as long as the person has dark skin because they are the only ones actually checked

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