A small set of people are merging changes to various Linux components to make sure every application knows your birth date.
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"It's not going to be repealed," ok, but like, can we? Can we build a plan to get this reversed? I'm about to complain on the daily to my state reps, because I sure as hell didn't ask them to pass it, and they sure as hell didn't let me know this was even in the works.
If I got backing, I'd even do the work of getting a prop going to repeal this, I'm not even joking. Or should some other options be explored first? Is anyone else taking these steps? Can anyone hear me? Where is the pushback against this?
@crypticrainfall @wwahammy @artemis You can certainly attempt it but I don't have high hopes for a campaign to repeal a bill that passed unanimously and would be opposed by the likes of facebook. It's hard to imagine how to build the political capital to do that.
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A small set of people are merging changes to various Linux components to make sure every application knows your birth date.
This is being done rapidly by people with questionable justifications and being merged with no youth and few marginalized people involved.
Edit: I just saw your display name
Hi Eric 
I think you did a great job of highlighting the problems posed by that PR.
"I do not think every application, that can be written by literally anyone in the world should know and be able to share which of their users are under 18. That is a recipe for some of the worst possible human beings to know who to target for harm and abuse of all kinds.
Like has anyone run this by folks who work with kids in the digital safety space? How about kids themselves? How about people who aren't in the US. It seems like we've got the mostly male, middle-aged white American and maybe European software engineer viewpoints down pat. Those are not the only users of desktop Linux and if we're gonna change the relationship between those users (and potential users) and desktop Linux, then maybe they should be involved in whatever happens." -
Edit: I just saw your display name
Hi Eric I think you did a great job of highlighting the problems posed by that PR.
"I do not think every application, that can be written by literally anyone in the world should know and be able to share which of their users are under 18. That is a recipe for some of the worst possible human beings to know who to target for harm and abuse of all kinds.
Like has anyone run this by folks who work with kids in the digital safety space? How about kids themselves? How about people who aren't in the US. It seems like we've got the mostly male, middle-aged white American and maybe European software engineer viewpoints down pat. Those are not the only users of desktop Linux and if we're gonna change the relationship between those users (and potential users) and desktop Linux, then maybe they should be involved in whatever happens."@alice sometimes I am gud at writing
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@wwahammy @frumble @artemis @smn
Why even implementing such feature? XD I'm really lost wtf.> and helps support age verification requirements from recent legislation.
Why should we care about any legislation. It's open source for fucks sake. I should be able to can run it on my dildo if I wanted.
Even now I can drop this stupid commit and government could suck my dick. What if I run RToS on Arduino? Do I still need to add age flag XDD WTF.
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@wwahammy @frumble @artemis @smn
Why even implementing such feature? XD I'm really lost wtf.> and helps support age verification requirements from recent legislation.
Why should we care about any legislation. It's open source for fucks sake. I should be able to can run it on my dildo if I wanted.
Even now I can drop this stupid commit and government could suck my dick. What if I run RToS on Arduino? Do I still need to add age flag XDD WTF.
@grayrattus @frumble @artemis @smn make sure the dildo asks the users birthday first
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A small set of people are merging changes to various Linux components to make sure every application knows your birth date.
This is being done rapidly by people with questionable justifications and being merged with no youth and few marginalized people involved.
@wwahammy Grrrr
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@crypticrainfall @wwahammy @artemis You can certainly attempt it but I don't have high hopes for a campaign to repeal a bill that passed unanimously and would be opposed by the likes of facebook. It's hard to imagine how to build the political capital to do that.
duh it's going to be hard. why are we giving up before trying? sometimes difficult things are achieved, and it's because people had a plan of action and didn't stop trying to push even when it looked bleak. I would have been trying something way earlier if I knew this was on the books. if you don't want to do anything, that's fine, personal choice and all. but lots of people are really mad. so what is our plan, what can we do for those of us ready to fight?
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@alice sometimes I am gud at writing
@wwahammy lol, when I wrote that reply, I'd seen your username, but didn't read your display name until after I'd hit post.
Anyway, yes, yes you do write gud
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A small set of people are merging changes to various Linux components to make sure every application knows your birth date.
This is being done rapidly by people with questionable justifications and being merged with no youth and few marginalized people involved.
@wwahammy But the *heatmap* Eric! Think of the commit heatmap!
(Somehow I feel like /s is required here because *gestures*)
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"It's not going to be repealed," ok, but like, can we? Can we build a plan to get this reversed? I'm about to complain on the daily to my state reps, because I sure as hell didn't ask them to pass it, and they sure as hell didn't let me know this was even in the works.
If I got backing, I'd even do the work of getting a prop going to repeal this, I'm not even joking. Or should some other options be explored first? Is anyone else taking these steps? Can anyone hear me? Where is the pushback against this?
@crypticrainfall Start with the EFF (https://www.eff.org/) and Fight for the Future (https://www.fightforthefuture.org/), I'd say
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@artemis @smn @wwahammy This whole OS age thing is beyond stupid. Do these politicians even know what an OS is for? This seems more like an issue to take to app developers like Grindr (which unless they have a pic and look 40 years old, we're not talking. Plenty of children on there). I know for me, who is highly allergic to kids, and very untrusting, verification on those sort of things would be a good thing. But not just so I can login to my Mac and use Logic and Xcode
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Lobby the fools that inflicted this on you
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@artemis @smn @wwahammy This whole OS age thing is beyond stupid. Do these politicians even know what an OS is for? This seems more like an issue to take to app developers like Grindr (which unless they have a pic and look 40 years old, we're not talking. Plenty of children on there). I know for me, who is highly allergic to kids, and very untrusting, verification on those sort of things would be a good thing. But not just so I can login to my Mac and use Logic and Xcode
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@gringlegrif @artemis @smn @wwahammy *sigh* I should have known. Only something this sleazy could come out of Mark Zuckerberg's office. Why can't hookers just come out of his office instead. It's always this bullshit.
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@gringlegrif @artemis @smn @wwahammy *sigh* I should have known. Only something this sleazy could come out of Mark Zuckerberg's office. Why can't hookers just come out of his office instead. It's always this bullshit.
@praetor @artemis @smn @wwahammy someone on Reddit figured it out.
Reddit User Uncovers Who Is Behind Meta’s $2B Lobbying for Invasive Age Verification Tech https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/reddit-user-uncovers-behind-meta-154717384.html
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@praetor @artemis @smn @wwahammy someone on Reddit figured it out.
Reddit User Uncovers Who Is Behind Meta’s $2B Lobbying for Invasive Age Verification Tech https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/reddit-user-uncovers-behind-meta-154717384.html
@gringlegrif @artemis @smn @wwahammy Well, if Europe (as usual always the over-acheivers...can't wait till I move to Norway) has zero knowledge identification technology, and Meta is behind this not wanting that...pretty easy to surmise why they want it. I fucking hate advertisers and marketers. I really, really do. We used to beat up the marketing kids in college.
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A small set of people are merging changes to various Linux components to make sure every application knows your birth date.
This is being done rapidly by people with questionable justifications and being merged with no youth and few marginalized people involved.
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A small set of people are merging changes to various Linux components to make sure every application knows your birth date.
This is being done rapidly by people with questionable justifications and being merged with no youth and few marginalized people involved.
@wwahammy Yikes
these public safety types are going to far -
@praetor @artemis @smn @wwahammy someone on Reddit figured it out.
Reddit User Uncovers Who Is Behind Meta’s $2B Lobbying for Invasive Age Verification Tech https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/reddit-user-uncovers-behind-meta-154717384.html
@gringlegrif @artemis @smn @wwahammy I don't know how old you all are, but when they released Windows XP with the call-home feature...people started pirating Server 2003 that didn't have that. Could run games, etc. I'm a server dude, this can't be put into server OSes. it would never pass a whole slew of regulatory requirements for server operating systems. I'd start calling my laptop a server
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A small set of people are merging changes to various Linux components to make sure every application knows your birth date.
This is being done rapidly by people with questionable justifications and being merged with no youth and few marginalized people involved.
@wwahammy apart from security fixes I don't see any earth-shattering reason to improve these modules, so is a security-fix only maintainable version possible?
