Did you know that Microsoft applied for a permit for a warehouse in southern Sweden - and once they had built the "warehouse" they declared they were going to host a datacenter there with diesel backup generators?
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@troed Any sources, like news articles or official documents?
@f15h Yes. The local paper Sydsvenskan were the main outlet reporting on it. This is but one article of many: https://www.sydsvenskan.se/staffanstorp/microsoft-aterkallar-ansokan-for-staffanstorp-letar-efter-ny-plats-for-datacenter/
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Did you know that Microsoft applied for a permit for a warehouse in southern Sweden - and once they had built the "warehouse" they declared they were going to host a datacenter there with diesel backup generators?
I mean, we hear this happening all the time and so let's hate on data centers, right?
The difference is that this is Sweden, and we don't accept that shit. They were not allowed to run their diesel generators, had to purchase battery power instead and in the end they closed the data center down since they couldn't win this fight.
That's how you deal with it.
(They are now using other datacenters in other locations in Sweden, fully compliant with the laws, with renewable energy and not using water for cooling as far as I can see)
@troed here in the US they buy the government first, and then the warehouse.
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Did you know that Microsoft applied for a permit for a warehouse in southern Sweden - and once they had built the "warehouse" they declared they were going to host a datacenter there with diesel backup generators?
I mean, we hear this happening all the time and so let's hate on data centers, right?
The difference is that this is Sweden, and we don't accept that shit. They were not allowed to run their diesel generators, had to purchase battery power instead and in the end they closed the data center down since they couldn't win this fight.
That's how you deal with it.
(They are now using other datacenters in other locations in Sweden, fully compliant with the laws, with renewable energy and not using water for cooling as far as I can see)
@troed woah! you mean you win by fighting? i know this sounds like sarcasm but here in america this concept is genuinely foreign to us.
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Did you know that Microsoft applied for a permit for a warehouse in southern Sweden - and once they had built the "warehouse" they declared they were going to host a datacenter there with diesel backup generators?
I mean, we hear this happening all the time and so let's hate on data centers, right?
The difference is that this is Sweden, and we don't accept that shit. They were not allowed to run their diesel generators, had to purchase battery power instead and in the end they closed the data center down since they couldn't win this fight.
That's how you deal with it.
(They are now using other datacenters in other locations in Sweden, fully compliant with the laws, with renewable energy and not using water for cooling as far as I can see)
In this latter day, hell hole, I’d like to suggest most people would never want the data center even if it wasn’t destroying their energy and water supply.
But thank goodness, you have a functioning government.
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Did you know that Microsoft applied for a permit for a warehouse in southern Sweden - and once they had built the "warehouse" they declared they were going to host a datacenter there with diesel backup generators?
I mean, we hear this happening all the time and so let's hate on data centers, right?
The difference is that this is Sweden, and we don't accept that shit. They were not allowed to run their diesel generators, had to purchase battery power instead and in the end they closed the data center down since they couldn't win this fight.
That's how you deal with it.
(They are now using other datacenters in other locations in Sweden, fully compliant with the laws, with renewable energy and not using water for cooling as far as I can see)
@troed lucky it was microsoft and not elmo
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Did you know that Microsoft applied for a permit for a warehouse in southern Sweden - and once they had built the "warehouse" they declared they were going to host a datacenter there with diesel backup generators?
I mean, we hear this happening all the time and so let's hate on data centers, right?
The difference is that this is Sweden, and we don't accept that shit. They were not allowed to run their diesel generators, had to purchase battery power instead and in the end they closed the data center down since they couldn't win this fight.
That's how you deal with it.
(They are now using other datacenters in other locations in Sweden, fully compliant with the laws, with renewable energy and not using water for cooling as far as I can see)
@troed Congrats.
Here, we elect anti-datacenter people and vote against them and they get built anyway.
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Did you know that Microsoft applied for a permit for a warehouse in southern Sweden - and once they had built the "warehouse" they declared they were going to host a datacenter there with diesel backup generators?
I mean, we hear this happening all the time and so let's hate on data centers, right?
The difference is that this is Sweden, and we don't accept that shit. They were not allowed to run their diesel generators, had to purchase battery power instead and in the end they closed the data center down since they couldn't win this fight.
That's how you deal with it.
(They are now using other datacenters in other locations in Sweden, fully compliant with the laws, with renewable energy and not using water for cooling as far as I can see)
@troed Bravo!
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Did you know that Microsoft applied for a permit for a warehouse in southern Sweden - and once they had built the "warehouse" they declared they were going to host a datacenter there with diesel backup generators?
I mean, we hear this happening all the time and so let's hate on data centers, right?
The difference is that this is Sweden, and we don't accept that shit. They were not allowed to run their diesel generators, had to purchase battery power instead and in the end they closed the data center down since they couldn't win this fight.
That's how you deal with it.
(They are now using other datacenters in other locations in Sweden, fully compliant with the laws, with renewable energy and not using water for cooling as far as I can see)
@troed @eco_amandine Note that data centers use water for cooling to reduce energy use. If they are not using water, then they are using more energy and therefore increasing greenhouse gas emissions. This is a zero sum game.
It does not matter if a data center is using "green" energy so long as the AI industry continues to consume more energy. Increased energy use delays the transition away from fossil fuels, keeping gas and coal plants active. https://solar.lowtechmagazine.com/2009/11/how-not-to-resolve-the-energy-crisis/
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@troed woah! you mean you win by fighting? i know this sounds like sarcasm but here in america this concept is genuinely foreign to us.
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We won with bureaucracy.
They caught the law and the law won @troed -
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We won with bureaucracy.
They caught the law and the law won @troed -
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Iam saying that there was no fight (legal). -
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Iam saying that there was no fight (legal).@_nibbles @troed i am saying that you are misunderstanding what i mean by fight and if you truly believe there was none then you won nothing and should expect to enjoy the same kind of depraved mania we are currently mired in here.
you fought. stop pretending you didnt. if you hadnt, you would not have prevailed. people fought.
we have laws too and these villains are allowed to flaunt them by people who think themselves good but who are actually just lazy cowards.
you fought. you won. stop belittling it.
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Did you know that Microsoft applied for a permit for a warehouse in southern Sweden - and once they had built the "warehouse" they declared they were going to host a datacenter there with diesel backup generators?
I mean, we hear this happening all the time and so let's hate on data centers, right?
The difference is that this is Sweden, and we don't accept that shit. They were not allowed to run their diesel generators, had to purchase battery power instead and in the end they closed the data center down since they couldn't win this fight.
That's how you deal with it.
(They are now using other datacenters in other locations in Sweden, fully compliant with the laws, with renewable energy and not using water for cooling as far as I can see)
@troed @SimonCHulse This is what pisses me off - it *would* be possible to built a sustainably run, environmentally friendly data center. Sure it’d cost more to build but they’ve all got the money. They just choose not to.
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@f15h Yes. The local paper Sydsvenskan were the main outlet reporting on it. This is but one article of many: https://www.sydsvenskan.se/staffanstorp/microsoft-aterkallar-ansokan-for-staffanstorp-letar-efter-ny-plats-for-datacenter/
@troed @f15h It's still problematic though. Also there's limited amount of renewables unless you want to also get rid of the forests and fields. https://www.helsinki.fi/en/researchgroups/reimagining-public-values-in-algorithmic-futures/whats-new/dismantling-public-values-one-data-center-at-the-time (yes, this is from a Finnish university but the article is about Sweden, it's few years old but the premise is still there)
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