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Today we had a fire alarm in the office.

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  • tagir_valeev@mastodon.onlineT tagir_valeev@mastodon.online

    Today we had a fire alarm in the office. A colleague wrote to a Slack channel 'Fire alarm in the office building', to start a thread if somebody knows any details. We have AI assistant Glean integrated into the Slack, and it answered privately to her: "today's siren is just a scheduled test and you do not need to leave your workplace". It was not a test or a drill, it was a real fire alarm. Someday, AI will kill us.

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    #63

    @tagir_valeev I dunno... it is probably a false alarm 99% of the time; I was in grad student housing where it went off every night and one of the other students got in trouble because he'd made up his mind he was going to stay in bed.

    false alarms numb people to real dangers and there should be heavy fines for them

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    • tagir_valeev@mastodon.onlineT tagir_valeev@mastodon.online

      Today we had a fire alarm in the office. A colleague wrote to a Slack channel 'Fire alarm in the office building', to start a thread if somebody knows any details. We have AI assistant Glean integrated into the Slack, and it answered privately to her: "today's siren is just a scheduled test and you do not need to leave your workplace". It was not a test or a drill, it was a real fire alarm. Someday, AI will kill us.

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      #64

      @tagir_valeev
      Next it will actually set the fire.

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      • tagir_valeev@mastodon.onlineT tagir_valeev@mastodon.online

        Today we had a fire alarm in the office. A colleague wrote to a Slack channel 'Fire alarm in the office building', to start a thread if somebody knows any details. We have AI assistant Glean integrated into the Slack, and it answered privately to her: "today's siren is just a scheduled test and you do not need to leave your workplace". It was not a test or a drill, it was a real fire alarm. Someday, AI will kill us.

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        #65

        @tagir_valeev No, not AI, but humans who integrate AI in every fucking tool.

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        • tagir_valeev@mastodon.onlineT tagir_valeev@mastodon.online

          Today we had a fire alarm in the office. A colleague wrote to a Slack channel 'Fire alarm in the office building', to start a thread if somebody knows any details. We have AI assistant Glean integrated into the Slack, and it answered privately to her: "today's siren is just a scheduled test and you do not need to leave your workplace". It was not a test or a drill, it was a real fire alarm. Someday, AI will kill us.

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          #66

          @tagir_valeev
          That's insane.

          The whole point of siren's test is to actually evacuate a building so they can know how quickly we did it, if we can reach the correct meeting point, etc etc.

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          • tagir_valeev@mastodon.onlineT tagir_valeev@mastodon.online

            Today we had a fire alarm in the office. A colleague wrote to a Slack channel 'Fire alarm in the office building', to start a thread if somebody knows any details. We have AI assistant Glean integrated into the Slack, and it answered privately to her: "today's siren is just a scheduled test and you do not need to leave your workplace". It was not a test or a drill, it was a real fire alarm. Someday, AI will kill us.

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            #67
            @tagir_valeev There is a reason why the rules are indeed for one to get off one's seat, grab one's coat & bag of the back, and leave.

            Usually such a liar would be personally responsible, but in this case the corposcum selling access to it will have to be the ones to bear responsibility for endangering others.
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            • tagir_valeev@mastodon.onlineT tagir_valeev@mastodon.online

              Today we had a fire alarm in the office. A colleague wrote to a Slack channel 'Fire alarm in the office building', to start a thread if somebody knows any details. We have AI assistant Glean integrated into the Slack, and it answered privately to her: "today's siren is just a scheduled test and you do not need to leave your workplace". It was not a test or a drill, it was a real fire alarm. Someday, AI will kill us.

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              #68
              @tagir_valeev
              haters: genAI will never create anything

              real genAI: made "this is fine" real
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              • daniel_bohrer@chaos.socialD daniel_bohrer@chaos.social

                @Matt_999 @tagir_valeev it is still probably a good idea to leave your workplace and go to the emergency meeting point, so you get used to the process, and don't forget to take e.g. shoes, jacket, wallet, keys … with you if the alarm turns out to be a real alarm. Or even have to find out first where the next fire extinguisher or the emergency meeting point is…

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                #69
                @daniel_bohrer @Matt_999 @tagir_valeev Given an alarm can happen at any point, either spares should be available near the emergency exit or one should also ensure never to be too far from such resources.

                Yes, this especially includes going to the restroom. Being stuck in -20℃ windy weather without a coat because one didn't bring it with oneself when going is a safety issue.
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                • tagir_valeev@mastodon.onlineT tagir_valeev@mastodon.online

                  @metacosm nobody asked the AI input at all. It just was configured in the particular channel to answer automatically if it thinks it can help faster than fellow humans (sometimes people actually ask something which was asked before, so AI could be helpful). The configuration will be adjusted after this incident.

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                  #70
                  @tagir_valeev @metacosm > The configuration will be adjusted after this incident.

                  On a probabilistic bullshit generator that does its own determination of topics (if it even has that much semantic analysis machinery, which it very well might not). Such that even if it was strictly allow-list based, it would still frequently fail to stay silent.
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                  • dalias@hachyderm.ioD dalias@hachyderm.io

                    @tagir_valeev A deadly case of the general principle that the situationally useful information lies not in the statistical pattern but in where and how deviations from the pattern occur.

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                    #71
                    @dalias @tagir_valeev At least when the environment is properly secure.

                    An old undermaintained chemical factory is always dangerous, deviations just make it even more so.
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                    • cazabon@mindly.socialC cazabon@mindly.social

                      @tagir_valeev

                      Jebus. The fire alarm goes off and their reaction is to ... start a Slack thread?

                      Not, "get up from desk and leave expeditiously" like you practice in the fire drills?

                      Some people have no common sense.

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                      #72

                      @cazabon The Slack thread was started after the person evacuated:

                      https://mastodon.online/@tagir_valeev/116059238703673745

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                      • tagir_valeev@mastodon.onlineT tagir_valeev@mastodon.online

                        Today we had a fire alarm in the office. A colleague wrote to a Slack channel 'Fire alarm in the office building', to start a thread if somebody knows any details. We have AI assistant Glean integrated into the Slack, and it answered privately to her: "today's siren is just a scheduled test and you do not need to leave your workplace". It was not a test or a drill, it was a real fire alarm. Someday, AI will kill us.

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                        #73

                        @tagir_valeev

                        We can fix this shit overnight.

                        A company is legally liable for a hosted LLM's output.

                        There you go.

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                        • tagir_valeev@mastodon.onlineT tagir_valeev@mastodon.online

                          Today we had a fire alarm in the office. A colleague wrote to a Slack channel 'Fire alarm in the office building', to start a thread if somebody knows any details. We have AI assistant Glean integrated into the Slack, and it answered privately to her: "today's siren is just a scheduled test and you do not need to leave your workplace". It was not a test or a drill, it was a real fire alarm. Someday, AI will kill us.

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                          #74

                          @tagir_valeev Don’t listen to LLMs. They are out to kill you. You could say Terminate you

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                          • tagir_valeev@mastodon.onlineT tagir_valeev@mastodon.online

                            Today we had a fire alarm in the office. A colleague wrote to a Slack channel 'Fire alarm in the office building', to start a thread if somebody knows any details. We have AI assistant Glean integrated into the Slack, and it answered privately to her: "today's siren is just a scheduled test and you do not need to leave your workplace". It was not a test or a drill, it was a real fire alarm. Someday, AI will kill us.

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                            #75

                            @tagir_valeev Sweet mercy, this scourge needs to be stopped.

                            Which isn't news to any of us, but sometimes I just gotta say it again.

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                            • tagir_valeev@mastodon.onlineT tagir_valeev@mastodon.online

                              @rail sometimes, it's helpful when asked explicitly. Automatic answers are indeed annoying. But it looks like it's getting better, so we are still evaluating.

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                              #76

                              @tagir_valeev

                              I don't know, man. If I had just received "advice" that might have caused physical harm or even death, I wouldn't just suppress this specific error and happily continue evaluating, because the bot looks like getting better, "otherwise".

                              I hope accountability for such decisions is well documented. That won't prevent harm from happening, but at least give employees or their surviving relatives a chance with respect to liability issues and compensations.

                              @rail

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                              • betalars@chaos.socialB betalars@chaos.social

                                Omg so much yes to what @daniel_bohrer wrote. You should even if you know it's a drill actually still leave the building because that's the point of a drill.

                                The only situation where that's clearly not necessary is: they are inspecting the fire alarm system itself. But that would be communicated very clearly in advance.

                                @Matt_999 @tagir_valeev

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                                #77

                                @betalars @daniel_bohrer @Matt_999 @tagir_valeev Exactly. And the other rule is: evacuations are atomic. I.e. once started, you evacuate until full completion. No arguments like "but Simon says it's a false alarm, so we can abort the evacuation".

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                                • katzenberger@tldr.nettime.orgK katzenberger@tldr.nettime.org

                                  @tagir_valeev

                                  I don't know, man. If I had just received "advice" that might have caused physical harm or even death, I wouldn't just suppress this specific error and happily continue evaluating, because the bot looks like getting better, "otherwise".

                                  I hope accountability for such decisions is well documented. That won't prevent harm from happening, but at least give employees or their surviving relatives a chance with respect to liability issues and compensations.

                                  @rail

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                                  #78

                                  @katzenberger @rail the incident was reported to the vendor, and they are looking at it. Of course, such things should be taken seriously.

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                                  • tagir_valeev@mastodon.onlineT tagir_valeev@mastodon.online

                                    Today we had a fire alarm in the office. A colleague wrote to a Slack channel 'Fire alarm in the office building', to start a thread if somebody knows any details. We have AI assistant Glean integrated into the Slack, and it answered privately to her: "today's siren is just a scheduled test and you do not need to leave your workplace". It was not a test or a drill, it was a real fire alarm. Someday, AI will kill us.

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                                    #79

                                    @tagir_valeev who use Slack anyway?

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                                    • tagir_valeev@mastodon.onlineT tagir_valeev@mastodon.online

                                      Today we had a fire alarm in the office. A colleague wrote to a Slack channel 'Fire alarm in the office building', to start a thread if somebody knows any details. We have AI assistant Glean integrated into the Slack, and it answered privately to her: "today's siren is just a scheduled test and you do not need to leave your workplace". It was not a test or a drill, it was a real fire alarm. Someday, AI will kill us.

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                                      #80

                                      @tagir_valeev loving reminder that AI already has a body count (not just the sexy kind, either)

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                                      • tagir_valeev@mastodon.onlineT tagir_valeev@mastodon.online

                                        Today we had a fire alarm in the office. A colleague wrote to a Slack channel 'Fire alarm in the office building', to start a thread if somebody knows any details. We have AI assistant Glean integrated into the Slack, and it answered privately to her: "today's siren is just a scheduled test and you do not need to leave your workplace". It was not a test or a drill, it was a real fire alarm. Someday, AI will kill us.

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                                        #81

                                        @tagir_valeev And no one will be held accountable for the losses of life, because AI cannot be prosecuted? 😡

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                                        • navi@catcatnya.comN navi@catcatnya.com

                                          @tagir_valeev even if it is "just a drill", you do need to leave the workplace!!!!! fucking LLMs!

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                                          #82

                                          @navi @tagir_valeev

                                          I dunno. I'm sure in some linkedin-culture ignoring fair alarms (be it real or drill) is seen as dedication.

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