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August 5, 2026 isn't that far away ...
"There Will Come Soft Rains" by Ray Bradbury
https://www.btboces.org/Downloads/7_There%20Will%20Come%20Soft%20Rains%20by%20Ray%20Bradbury.pdf@albertcardona @sundogplanets Story downloaded. Calendar marked.
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A scary quick calculation: there are 10,375 Starlink satellites in orbit https://planet4589.org/space/con/conlist.html, all coming down within 5 years.
That's an *average* of 5 or 6 a day for the next 5 years. And the v2's are bigger than the v1's. v2's are (conservatively) 1000kg and (conservatively) half aluminum. That's 2.5-3 tonnes of aluminum per day. 8 times the natural infall rate of aluminum (and there's lots of other scary things like lithium). What will that do to our atmosphere?
SpaceX is awful.
@sundogplanets any simple numbers yet to indicate whether Elon > Thomas Midgley Jr (leaded gas, cfcs) in terms of environmental impact? Or are we unwilling part of the experiment that will find out?
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August 5, 2026 isn't that far away ...
"There Will Come Soft Rains" by Ray Bradbury
https://www.btboces.org/Downloads/7_There%20Will%20Come%20Soft%20Rains%20by%20Ray%20Bradbury.pdfOoh, this must be from the original edition of "The Martian Chronicles", published in 1950.
This past spring, we read & analyzed this story for a college writing course. Our version is set in the year 2057.
Wikipedia shows that the dates in the book, including this story, "advanced" by 31 years during the 1997 edition.
I first read this story on my own during high school (last decade of the Cold War).
It registered strongly then and still does so today!8- )
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@sundogplanets
We must make sure that what comes down does not go back up. No Starlinks! I wonder if they are still shooting them up there. My guess is yes. We have to stop this Monster Musk in every way possible.@lin11c @sundogplanets, well, given that they'll be burnt up on re-entry (entirely? If not, I can think of a few places where I'd like them to land), I don't think that they'll be in suitable condition to be sent back up…
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A scary quick calculation: there are 10,375 Starlink satellites in orbit https://planet4589.org/space/con/conlist.html, all coming down within 5 years.
That's an *average* of 5 or 6 a day for the next 5 years. And the v2's are bigger than the v1's. v2's are (conservatively) 1000kg and (conservatively) half aluminum. That's 2.5-3 tonnes of aluminum per day. 8 times the natural infall rate of aluminum (and there's lots of other scary things like lithium). What will that do to our atmosphere?
SpaceX is awful.
@sundogplanets and probably killing people & wildlife too.
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@lin11c @sundogplanets, well, given that they'll be burnt up on re-entry (entirely? If not, I can think of a few places where I'd like them to land), I don't think that they'll be in suitable condition to be sent back up…
@lp0_on_fire @sundogplanets
I meant no new Starlink replacements! Way too many satellites up there already. I hope the whole Musk enterprise goes belly up. He definitely needs to lose all his government contracts. He hates American democracy. -
@albertcardona I think about this short story quite frequently, but haven't read it in years! I didn't realize there's an exact date in it! Wow.
@sundogplanets @albertcardona and I read it for the first time today, thanks for sharing
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A scary quick calculation: there are 10,375 Starlink satellites in orbit https://planet4589.org/space/con/conlist.html, all coming down within 5 years.
That's an *average* of 5 or 6 a day for the next 5 years. And the v2's are bigger than the v1's. v2's are (conservatively) 1000kg and (conservatively) half aluminum. That's 2.5-3 tonnes of aluminum per day. 8 times the natural infall rate of aluminum (and there's lots of other scary things like lithium). What will that do to our atmosphere?
SpaceX is awful.
@sundogplanets how are they even insurable? Who pays for KIS & property damage? Assuming they don’t have a mechanism to land safely…
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A scary quick calculation: there are 10,375 Starlink satellites in orbit https://planet4589.org/space/con/conlist.html, all coming down within 5 years.
That's an *average* of 5 or 6 a day for the next 5 years. And the v2's are bigger than the v1's. v2's are (conservatively) 1000kg and (conservatively) half aluminum. That's 2.5-3 tonnes of aluminum per day. 8 times the natural infall rate of aluminum (and there's lots of other scary things like lithium). What will that do to our atmosphere?
SpaceX is awful.
@sundogplanets Move fast and break things. We'll fix the atmosphere in the next iteration. In fact, if we screw the atmosphere hard enough, they will pay us to fix it.
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A scary quick calculation: there are 10,375 Starlink satellites in orbit https://planet4589.org/space/con/conlist.html, all coming down within 5 years.
That's an *average* of 5 or 6 a day for the next 5 years. And the v2's are bigger than the v1's. v2's are (conservatively) 1000kg and (conservatively) half aluminum. That's 2.5-3 tonnes of aluminum per day. 8 times the natural infall rate of aluminum (and there's lots of other scary things like lithium). What will that do to our atmosphere?
SpaceX is awful.
@sundogplanets Big Kessler.
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