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  3. Binance hasn’t REcovered $6B+, it’s COVERING it (reimbursing customers from company funds).

Binance hasn’t REcovered $6B+, it’s COVERING it (reimbursing customers from company funds).

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  • fuzzyfuzzyfungus@cyberplace.socialF fuzzyfuzzyfungus@cyberplace.social

    @molly0xfff @ssiekmann That's an especially depressing blind spot because it seems like it should be the most familiar part. 'Crypto' likes to exaggerate how much the math really matters; but there are details there that you would expect a finance reporter to need to read up on if they want to get into the weeds. "Shady things happen on quasi-securities markets and people do perjury and fraud sometimes" seem like much more universal concepts.

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    #15
    @fuzzyfuzzyfungus@cyberplace.social @molly0xfff@hachyderm.io especially since Binance isn’t publicly traded, has a history of shady ownership and financial crimes and there simply is no way a company generating less than $500M profit can easy peasy make $6B apparate. This isn’t Hogwarts. Now I’m learning they have a large private holding of SpaceX and boy does it all make sense. Leverage on leverage on crypto. I wish this would finally all crater like it should. End of rant
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    • molly0xfff@hachyderm.ioM molly0xfff@hachyderm.io

      Binance hasn’t REcovered $6B+, it’s COVERING it (reimbursing customers from company funds). Some was frozen, but Binance is not likely to recover even half.

      Bad headlines like this are a big part of why I started covering crypto. Generalist reporters on deadline far too often end up repeating company spin.

      #crypto #cryptocurrency #journalism

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      #16

      @molly0xfff the sentence after the one you highlighted says that $5B of the lost assets are the exact token assets that were lost. Why is that not considered recovered? What am I missing? Not supporting them or saying you're wrong, just confused.

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      • forced_gump@mstdn.socialF forced_gump@mstdn.social

        @molly0xfff the sentence after the one you highlighted says that $5B of the lost assets are the exact token assets that were lost. Why is that not considered recovered? What am I missing? Not supporting them or saying you're wrong, just confused.

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        #17

        @forced_gump they’re saying that the company funds are held in the same asset that they’re replacing. For example, they already held ETH that they’ll use to replace the stolen ETH, without having to convert it from some other asset.

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        • molly0xfff@hachyderm.ioM molly0xfff@hachyderm.io

          Binance hasn’t REcovered $6B+, it’s COVERING it (reimbursing customers from company funds). Some was frozen, but Binance is not likely to recover even half.

          Bad headlines like this are a big part of why I started covering crypto. Generalist reporters on deadline far too often end up repeating company spin.

          #crypto #cryptocurrency #journalism

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          #18

          @molly0xfff

          Super secure public ledger that is not controlled by anyone.

          Sure enough, the sovereign individual asshats in the world pretended that they found an exit from society. Like everything else, they fantasize about it.

          It doesn’t work that way. Crypto is neither safe or secure.

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          • molly0xfff@hachyderm.ioM molly0xfff@hachyderm.io

            Binance hasn’t REcovered $6B+, it’s COVERING it (reimbursing customers from company funds). Some was frozen, but Binance is not likely to recover even half.

            Bad headlines like this are a big part of why I started covering crypto. Generalist reporters on deadline far too often end up repeating company spin.

            #crypto #cryptocurrency #journalism

            guardeddon@mas.toG This user is from outside of this forum
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            #19

            @molly0xfff
            So, I was mistaken in thinking that bitcoin, blockchain based assets, intrinsically included something that would prove ownership.

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            • molly0xfff@hachyderm.ioM molly0xfff@hachyderm.io

              Binance hasn’t REcovered $6B+, it’s COVERING it (reimbursing customers from company funds). Some was frozen, but Binance is not likely to recover even half.

              Bad headlines like this are a big part of why I started covering crypto. Generalist reporters on deadline far too often end up repeating company spin.

              #crypto #cryptocurrency #journalism

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              #20

              @molly0xfff

              hahahahahahaha!

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              • molly0xfff@hachyderm.ioM molly0xfff@hachyderm.io

                @ssiekmann In my experience, a lot of journalists are still pretty unwilling to believe that companies will just lie. And that’s a particularly bad perspective to hold when you’re covering the crypto sector.

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                #21

                @molly0xfff @ssiekmann Even worse when it's governments/cops.

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                • henryt@fosstodon.orgH henryt@fosstodon.org

                  @fuzzyfuzzyfungus @molly0xfff @ssiekmann Agree. I'd like journalists to get into more detail. Does Binance possess investor's private keys?

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                  #22

                  @HenryT @fuzzyfuzzyfungus @molly0xfff @ssiekmann Most "investors" don't even understand how cryptocurrency works and don't have possession of their own coins. They just have a pinky-promise from whatever exchange they use that "X amount of coins in the exchange's possession belong to you and are available for you to withdraw" tracked in an ordinary database. It's utter clowncar shit.

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                  • molly0xfff@hachyderm.ioM molly0xfff@hachyderm.io

                    Binance hasn’t REcovered $6B+, it’s COVERING it (reimbursing customers from company funds). Some was frozen, but Binance is not likely to recover even half.

                    Bad headlines like this are a big part of why I started covering crypto. Generalist reporters on deadline far too often end up repeating company spin.

                    #crypto #cryptocurrency #journalism

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                    #23

                    @molly0xfff Well those are very different things! Sounds like “spin” as you say that will at best be contributed to “nuance”.

                    But to use the “you wouldn’t steal a car” analogy from piracy, that’s the difference between getting the same car back (complete with your half finished bottle of water in the cup holder) and getting a 1:1 replacement without the car owner paying for it…presumably because the car maker thinks it’s more valuable to keep you driving than for you to decide to take mass transit.

                    Thank you for the clarification.

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                    • molly0xfff@hachyderm.ioM molly0xfff@hachyderm.io

                      Binance hasn’t REcovered $6B+, it’s COVERING it (reimbursing customers from company funds). Some was frozen, but Binance is not likely to recover even half.

                      Bad headlines like this are a big part of why I started covering crypto. Generalist reporters on deadline far too often end up repeating company spin.

                      #crypto #cryptocurrency #journalism

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                      #24

                      @molly0xfff Repeating company spin is policy for most media enterprises. Everything else is too expensive. Thank you for your reporting.

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                      • molly0xfff@hachyderm.ioM molly0xfff@hachyderm.io

                        @ssiekmann In my experience, a lot of journalists are still pretty unwilling to believe that companies will just lie. And that’s a particularly bad perspective to hold when you’re covering the crypto sector.

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                        #25

                        @molly0xfff @ssiekmann Or tech in general imo. So many lies from this sector...

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                        • molly0xfff@hachyderm.ioM molly0xfff@hachyderm.io

                          Binance hasn’t REcovered $6B+, it’s COVERING it (reimbursing customers from company funds). Some was frozen, but Binance is not likely to recover even half.

                          Bad headlines like this are a big part of why I started covering crypto. Generalist reporters on deadline far too often end up repeating company spin.

                          #crypto #cryptocurrency #journalism

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                          #26

                          @molly0xfff and those people are called stenographers who should be getting stenography machines for xmas

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                          • molly0xfff@hachyderm.ioM molly0xfff@hachyderm.io

                            Binance hasn’t REcovered $6B+, it’s COVERING it (reimbursing customers from company funds). Some was frozen, but Binance is not likely to recover even half.

                            Bad headlines like this are a big part of why I started covering crypto. Generalist reporters on deadline far too often end up repeating company spin.

                            #crypto #cryptocurrency #journalism

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                            #27

                            @molly0xfff it's just simple money laundering. They self-regulate so they win either way

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                            • molly0xfff@hachyderm.ioM molly0xfff@hachyderm.io

                              @ssiekmann In my experience, a lot of journalists are still pretty unwilling to believe that companies will just lie. And that’s a particularly bad perspective to hold when you’re covering the crypto sector.

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                              #28

                              @molly0xfff @ssiekmann companies lie all the time about everything that's why journalism is work but most so called journalists are just PR repeater 🤬

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                              • drgroftehauge@sigmoid.socialD drgroftehauge@sigmoid.social

                                @molly0xfff How the fuck do they have this much money to just throw away at a moment's notice? Apple's war chest is less than $150b and it's huge.

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                                #29

                                @molly0xfff Tether is really stupid if they freeze, burn, and reissue for free.

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                                • molly0xfff@hachyderm.ioM molly0xfff@hachyderm.io

                                  Binance hasn’t REcovered $6B+, it’s COVERING it (reimbursing customers from company funds). Some was frozen, but Binance is not likely to recover even half.

                                  Bad headlines like this are a big part of why I started covering crypto. Generalist reporters on deadline far too often end up repeating company spin.

                                  #crypto #cryptocurrency #journalism

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                                  #30

                                  @molly0xfff

                                  so just another ponzi scheme LOL

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                                  • molly0xfff@hachyderm.ioM molly0xfff@hachyderm.io

                                    Binance hasn’t REcovered $6B+, it’s COVERING it (reimbursing customers from company funds). Some was frozen, but Binance is not likely to recover even half.

                                    Bad headlines like this are a big part of why I started covering crypto. Generalist reporters on deadline far too often end up repeating company spin.

                                    #crypto #cryptocurrency #journalism

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                                    #31

                                    @molly0xfff #Knords fleeced #crypto wankers for billions. 😂 🤷🏻‍♂️ #Binance

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                                    • samiamsam@mastodon.socialS samiamsam@mastodon.social

                                      @molly0xfff

                                      so just another ponzi scheme LOL

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                                      #32

                                      @samiamsam @molly0xfff

                                      crypto was the biggest ponzi scheme ever 😀

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                                      • ssiekmann@infosec.exchangeS ssiekmann@infosec.exchange
                                        @molly0xfff@hachyderm.io yeah that Reuters falls for this is unforgivable. I mean it’s a technically challenging subject but to explain how a deficit is “recovered” is really much more an accounting 101 issue
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                                        #33

                                        @ssiekmann It is really a Tech 202 problem….

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                                        • rzeta0@mastodon.worldR rzeta0@mastodon.world

                                          @molly0xfff

                                          hahahahahahaha!

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                                          #34

                                          @molly0xfff

                                          #binance #crypto

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