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  3. a thing i have found younger researchers of the late 90s internet don't really appreciate is the number of ephemeral websites made by literal children.

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  • rose_alibi@post.lurk.orgR rose_alibi@post.lurk.org

    a thing i have found younger researchers of the late 90s internet don't really appreciate is the number of ephemeral websites made by literal children. i was 12/13/14 making websites on freehosts for fun and i knew easily a dozen other people my age doing the same. the person who hosted the forum i was part of in high school started it at 15 on a server under his bed. there was no concept of age verification. if you had an internet connection and lax parental supervision you were good to go.

    (this post is not about the utterly inane age verification laws nor is it about porn. it is about the very often ignored contributions of young people to culture.)

    mcr314@todon.nlM This user is from outside of this forum
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    #54

    @rose_alibi I was 16 when I got connected in the 1980s. I ran much of the UUCP network in my area. In the 1990s, when I was in my 20s, I ran the first web servers in the city. I certainly offered space to anyone (for free), and I would never have thought to ask or care about anyone's age.

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    • rose_alibi@post.lurk.orgR rose_alibi@post.lurk.org

      a thing i have found younger researchers of the late 90s internet don't really appreciate is the number of ephemeral websites made by literal children. i was 12/13/14 making websites on freehosts for fun and i knew easily a dozen other people my age doing the same. the person who hosted the forum i was part of in high school started it at 15 on a server under his bed. there was no concept of age verification. if you had an internet connection and lax parental supervision you were good to go.

      (this post is not about the utterly inane age verification laws nor is it about porn. it is about the very often ignored contributions of young people to culture.)

      nawer_rapter@mastodon.socialN This user is from outside of this forum
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      #55

      @rose_alibi "it is about the very ofter ignored contributions of young people to culture"
      I love you for that one. Damn me if I ain't on the front seat of telling eveyone I know every few days that "young people" has the word "people" in it and it entails everything of what any other "people" are and do.

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      • rose_alibi@post.lurk.orgR rose_alibi@post.lurk.org

        a thing i have found younger researchers of the late 90s internet don't really appreciate is the number of ephemeral websites made by literal children. i was 12/13/14 making websites on freehosts for fun and i knew easily a dozen other people my age doing the same. the person who hosted the forum i was part of in high school started it at 15 on a server under his bed. there was no concept of age verification. if you had an internet connection and lax parental supervision you were good to go.

        (this post is not about the utterly inane age verification laws nor is it about porn. it is about the very often ignored contributions of young people to culture.)

        gudenau@hachyderm.ioG This user is from outside of this forum
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        #56

        @rose_alibi When I was 13 on the internet people thought I was 30. .-.

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        • rose_alibi@post.lurk.orgR rose_alibi@post.lurk.org

          a thing i have found younger researchers of the late 90s internet don't really appreciate is the number of ephemeral websites made by literal children. i was 12/13/14 making websites on freehosts for fun and i knew easily a dozen other people my age doing the same. the person who hosted the forum i was part of in high school started it at 15 on a server under his bed. there was no concept of age verification. if you had an internet connection and lax parental supervision you were good to go.

          (this post is not about the utterly inane age verification laws nor is it about porn. it is about the very often ignored contributions of young people to culture.)

          varyag@outerheaven.clubV This user is from outside of this forum
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          #57
          @rose_alibi heck, I made a website when I was a kid WITH parental supervision, my dad and my uncle both learned HTML to teach me how to do it, and helped me get my little fun page online.
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          • magisterludi@fosstodon.orgM This user is from outside of this forum
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            #58

            @spacehobo @rose_alibi I'm also late Gen-X and while I didn't run a BBS, I was calling them. I don't know the percentage of BBSes run by teenagers in the early 90s, but it must have been high.

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            • rose_alibi@post.lurk.orgR rose_alibi@post.lurk.org

              a thing i have found younger researchers of the late 90s internet don't really appreciate is the number of ephemeral websites made by literal children. i was 12/13/14 making websites on freehosts for fun and i knew easily a dozen other people my age doing the same. the person who hosted the forum i was part of in high school started it at 15 on a server under his bed. there was no concept of age verification. if you had an internet connection and lax parental supervision you were good to go.

              (this post is not about the utterly inane age verification laws nor is it about porn. it is about the very often ignored contributions of young people to culture.)

              kirch@tilde.zoneK This user is from outside of this forum
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              #59

              @rose_alibi I was there, and I remember all the "l33t h4xxorz" gatekeeping about "real programmers" vs "script kiddies" ... That culture hasn't really changed, just got a little more entrenched and took on more diplomatic language

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              • rose_alibi@post.lurk.orgR rose_alibi@post.lurk.org

                a thing i have found younger researchers of the late 90s internet don't really appreciate is the number of ephemeral websites made by literal children. i was 12/13/14 making websites on freehosts for fun and i knew easily a dozen other people my age doing the same. the person who hosted the forum i was part of in high school started it at 15 on a server under his bed. there was no concept of age verification. if you had an internet connection and lax parental supervision you were good to go.

                (this post is not about the utterly inane age verification laws nor is it about porn. it is about the very often ignored contributions of young people to culture.)

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                #60

                @rose_alibi im a teenager and I have a website hosted on netlify that i built with HTML and CSS myself, its took about 15 hours so far to buld everything and its been very rewarding, with age verification I'm afraid that I'd either be banned or be forced to show my ID (which at that point I would just give up and stop doing the website).
                the website is https://hannahsreallycoolwebsite.netlify.app/

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                • rose_alibi@post.lurk.orgR rose_alibi@post.lurk.org

                  a thing i have found younger researchers of the late 90s internet don't really appreciate is the number of ephemeral websites made by literal children. i was 12/13/14 making websites on freehosts for fun and i knew easily a dozen other people my age doing the same. the person who hosted the forum i was part of in high school started it at 15 on a server under his bed. there was no concept of age verification. if you had an internet connection and lax parental supervision you were good to go.

                  (this post is not about the utterly inane age verification laws nor is it about porn. it is about the very often ignored contributions of young people to culture.)

                  ra6bit@infosec.exchangeR This user is from outside of this forum
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                  #61

                  @rose_alibi I was making thousands at 15 making basic websites for local companies and hosting them on potatoes connected to ISDN.

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                  • rose_alibi@post.lurk.orgR rose_alibi@post.lurk.org

                    @fcbsd yeah but you didn't need a credit card to do anything unless you were purchasing something. free hosting on angelfire and geocities didn't require a card

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                    #62

                    @rose_alibi @fcbsd getting an affiliate account on cd baby didn’t require a credit card either. I know that one.

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                    • rose_alibi@post.lurk.orgR rose_alibi@post.lurk.org

                      a thing i have found younger researchers of the late 90s internet don't really appreciate is the number of ephemeral websites made by literal children. i was 12/13/14 making websites on freehosts for fun and i knew easily a dozen other people my age doing the same. the person who hosted the forum i was part of in high school started it at 15 on a server under his bed. there was no concept of age verification. if you had an internet connection and lax parental supervision you were good to go.

                      (this post is not about the utterly inane age verification laws nor is it about porn. it is about the very often ignored contributions of young people to culture.)

                      mathaetaes@infosec.exchangeM This user is from outside of this forum
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                      #63

                      @rose_alibi so much this! The first two ISPs I had both provided ftp and an exposed /~ home directory to host in.

                      I had a personal page, “official” websites for small local
                      bands I liked (geocities ftw), and even a crappy underground newspaper covering teen drama at our highschool.

                      My first money-earning job was independently designing and implementing a web site for a small motorcycle apparel company in my hometown. They paid me $250 up front, and it was more money than I had seen in my entire life.

                      I was 14.

                      I miss that janky self-made Internet so much.

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                      • rose_alibi@post.lurk.orgR rose_alibi@post.lurk.org

                        a thing i have found younger researchers of the late 90s internet don't really appreciate is the number of ephemeral websites made by literal children. i was 12/13/14 making websites on freehosts for fun and i knew easily a dozen other people my age doing the same. the person who hosted the forum i was part of in high school started it at 15 on a server under his bed. there was no concept of age verification. if you had an internet connection and lax parental supervision you were good to go.

                        (this post is not about the utterly inane age verification laws nor is it about porn. it is about the very often ignored contributions of young people to culture.)

                        kyresti@plush.cityK This user is from outside of this forum
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                        #64

                        @rose_alibi Adding to the fanfare, this is one of the reasons I'm so upset about the state of things now.

                        I don't even remember the earliest of mine, I think it involved RPG maker 95/2000 stuff? But it was out there for a time. I was 14.

                        Even better, you know the ancient flash video Hyakugokukyuuichi? The one made by Neil Cicierga, like the nerd celebrity? That was around the same time.

                        He's *my age*. I only learned that relatively recently.

                        This shit's important.

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                        • rose_alibi@post.lurk.orgR rose_alibi@post.lurk.org

                          a thing i have found younger researchers of the late 90s internet don't really appreciate is the number of ephemeral websites made by literal children. i was 12/13/14 making websites on freehosts for fun and i knew easily a dozen other people my age doing the same. the person who hosted the forum i was part of in high school started it at 15 on a server under his bed. there was no concept of age verification. if you had an internet connection and lax parental supervision you were good to go.

                          (this post is not about the utterly inane age verification laws nor is it about porn. it is about the very often ignored contributions of young people to culture.)

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                          #65

                          @rose_alibi I lied to Geocities about my age because I was a few weeks too young for them to let me create an account. I later expanded to multiple free hosting sites because I ran out of room. I built hobby sites for myself, for friends, school clubs…and I don’t think my parents even knew about it, at least at first unless I mentioned it. My friends did the same thing, we were nerds 😆

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                          • haloedrain@toot.cafeH haloedrain@toot.cafe

                            @rose_alibi I lied to Geocities about my age because I was a few weeks too young for them to let me create an account. I later expanded to multiple free hosting sites because I ran out of room. I built hobby sites for myself, for friends, school clubs…and I don’t think my parents even knew about it, at least at first unless I mentioned it. My friends did the same thing, we were nerds 😆

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                            #66

                            @rose_alibi I did enjoy the game chatrooms (MUDs I guess) that AOL had, but my dad didn’t want to pay for AOL so I got the free hours to try it and that was it. Online games like Ultima were also out of the question. But building stuff was free and didn’t require parental consent!

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