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  3. I finally started reading The AI Con by @emilymbender and @alex and I already laughed out loud in the first few pages.

I finally started reading The AI Con by @emilymbender and @alex and I already laughed out loud in the first few pages.

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  • sundogplanets@mastodon.socialS sundogplanets@mastodon.social

    I finally started reading The AI Con by @emilymbender and @alex and I already laughed out loud in the first few pages. "Racist pile of linear algebra" is my new favourite term for genAI.

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    #14

    @sundogplanets @emilymbender @alex here's a thread on BlueSky with other great "names" for generative AI, collated by Mike Deutsch...
    https://bsky.app/profile/mdeutschmtl.bsky.social/post/3mlnwipu6xc2q

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    • stargazersmith@social.linux.pizzaS stargazersmith@social.linux.pizza

      @sundogplanets @emilymbender @alex
      I could use a little help understanding your label for AI. I'm no fan of the AI hype and associated misinformation, but your label eludes me. I know what a racist is, and I've used linear algebra a lot, but I can't put it all together.

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      #15

      @stargazersmith @sundogplanets @emilymbender @alex

      LLM's choose the next word based on based on the strength and direction of what is already there. It's a vector & matrices(the linear algebra).

      All LLM's built so far become racist, given time.

      Like Tay, the teenage Nazi chatbot from Microsoft.
      'She' was introduced on Twitter on March 23rd, 2016. Tay was supposed to be a 'fun' teen 'girl' that other teens could talk to.

      By March 25th, Tay was a full on Nazi.

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tay_(chatbot)

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      • seanplynch@mastodon.socialS seanplynch@mastodon.social

        @stargazersmith @sundogplanets @emilymbender @alex

        LLM's choose the next word based on based on the strength and direction of what is already there. It's a vector & matrices(the linear algebra).

        All LLM's built so far become racist, given time.

        Like Tay, the teenage Nazi chatbot from Microsoft.
        'She' was introduced on Twitter on March 23rd, 2016. Tay was supposed to be a 'fun' teen 'girl' that other teens could talk to.

        By March 25th, Tay was a full on Nazi.

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tay_(chatbot)

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        #16

        @stargazersmith @sundogplanets @emilymbender @alex

        I over simplified the LLM, but lots of matrix manipulation.

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        • seanplynch@mastodon.socialS seanplynch@mastodon.social

          @stargazersmith @sundogplanets @emilymbender @alex

          LLM's choose the next word based on based on the strength and direction of what is already there. It's a vector & matrices(the linear algebra).

          All LLM's built so far become racist, given time.

          Like Tay, the teenage Nazi chatbot from Microsoft.
          'She' was introduced on Twitter on March 23rd, 2016. Tay was supposed to be a 'fun' teen 'girl' that other teens could talk to.

          By March 25th, Tay was a full on Nazi.

          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tay_(chatbot)

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          #17

          @SeanPLynch @sundogplanets @emilymbender @alex
          Thanks for that explanation.

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          • seanplynch@mastodon.socialS seanplynch@mastodon.social

            @stargazersmith @sundogplanets @emilymbender @alex

            I over simplified the LLM, but lots of matrix manipulation.

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            #18

            @SeanPLynch @sundogplanets @emilymbender @alex
            They are giving matrices a bad name.

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            • sundogplanets@mastodon.socialS sundogplanets@mastodon.social

              I finally started reading The AI Con by @emilymbender and @alex and I already laughed out loud in the first few pages. "Racist pile of linear algebra" is my new favourite term for genAI.

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              #19

              @sundogplanets @emilymbender @alex @limebar there is much new vocabulary to adopt in there. I like “synthetic text extruder”.

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              • sundogplanets@mastodon.socialS sundogplanets@mastodon.social

                I finally started reading The AI Con by @emilymbender and @alex and I already laughed out loud in the first few pages. "Racist pile of linear algebra" is my new favourite term for genAI.

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                #20

                Haha, that phrase is perfect. Might have to steal it for my own vocabulary. Enjoy the rest of the book!

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                • stargazersmith@social.linux.pizzaS stargazersmith@social.linux.pizza

                  @SeanPLynch @sundogplanets @emilymbender @alex
                  They are giving matrices a bad name.

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                  #21

                  @stargazersmith @emilymbender @alex Thank you for the explanation and example, @SeanPLynch

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                  • seanplynch@mastodon.socialS seanplynch@mastodon.social

                    @stargazersmith @sundogplanets @emilymbender @alex

                    I over simplified the LLM, but lots of matrix manipulation.

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                    #22

                    @stargazersmith @sundogplanets @emilymbender @alex

                    Read the humorous 'Finding Paul Revere' by Kieran Healy.

                    See how the strength of connections are built between people and used to create a connection diagram.

                    LLM's do this, on steroids. Using the words and phrases so far to decide what to say next based on the training data. They also use search techniques to find information to answer your question and format it based on language rules and prediction models.

                    https://kieranhealy.org/blog/archives/2013/06/09/using-metadata-to-find-paul-revere/

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                    • sundogplanets@mastodon.socialS sundogplanets@mastodon.social

                      I finally started reading The AI Con by @emilymbender and @alex and I already laughed out loud in the first few pages. "Racist pile of linear algebra" is my new favourite term for genAI.

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                      #23

                      @sundogplanets @emilymbender @alex AI Snake Oil and Weapons of Math Destruction are both good

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                      • seanplynch@mastodon.socialS seanplynch@mastodon.social

                        @stargazersmith @sundogplanets @emilymbender @alex

                        Read the humorous 'Finding Paul Revere' by Kieran Healy.

                        See how the strength of connections are built between people and used to create a connection diagram.

                        LLM's do this, on steroids. Using the words and phrases so far to decide what to say next based on the training data. They also use search techniques to find information to answer your question and format it based on language rules and prediction models.

                        https://kieranhealy.org/blog/archives/2013/06/09/using-metadata-to-find-paul-revere/

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                        #24

                        @SeanPLynch @sundogplanets @emilymbender @alex
                        Seems like a paradigm designed to find a point in the middle of a halo of fuzz, with truth (or even an understanding of the problem at hand) of no particular consideration.

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                        • sundogplanets@mastodon.socialS sundogplanets@mastodon.social

                          I finally started reading The AI Con by @emilymbender and @alex and I already laughed out loud in the first few pages. "Racist pile of linear algebra" is my new favourite term for genAI.

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                          @sundogplanets That title may be a bit of a misnomer because, as a field, AI is more than LLMs. For instance, I'm using a AI-based grammar checker, apparently more of an expert system, for a long document. I wrote some code to prune out equations, coding examples, etc., and turned the output of the AI program into compiler-like error messages with line numbers. All changes to the document were done by me manually.

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                          • seanplynch@mastodon.socialS seanplynch@mastodon.social

                            @stargazersmith @sundogplanets @emilymbender @alex

                            LLM's choose the next word based on based on the strength and direction of what is already there. It's a vector & matrices(the linear algebra).

                            All LLM's built so far become racist, given time.

                            Like Tay, the teenage Nazi chatbot from Microsoft.
                            'She' was introduced on Twitter on March 23rd, 2016. Tay was supposed to be a 'fun' teen 'girl' that other teens could talk to.

                            By March 25th, Tay was a full on Nazi.

                            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tay_(chatbot)

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                            @SeanPLynch @stargazersmith @sundogplanets @emilymbender@dair-community.social @alex If "All LLM's built so far become racist, given time," that could well be the result of the training material. If you train it on social media such as X, it is hardly surprising: kind of like what a parrot might spout after being taken to a Klan rally.

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                            • bzdev@fosstodon.orgB bzdev@fosstodon.org

                              @sundogplanets That title may be a bit of a misnomer because, as a field, AI is more than LLMs. For instance, I'm using a AI-based grammar checker, apparently more of an expert system, for a long document. I wrote some code to prune out equations, coding examples, etc., and turned the output of the AI program into compiler-like error messages with line numbers. All changes to the document were done by me manually.

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                              #27

                              @bzdev @sundogplanets not to mention statistical analysis through machine learning is what "AI" used to be.

                              Or pathfinding, game playing agents (including npc programming), image analysis, document parsing...

                              The best thing is none of this is really "AI" at all

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                              • seanplynch@mastodon.socialS seanplynch@mastodon.social

                                @stargazersmith @sundogplanets @emilymbender @alex

                                Read the humorous 'Finding Paul Revere' by Kieran Healy.

                                See how the strength of connections are built between people and used to create a connection diagram.

                                LLM's do this, on steroids. Using the words and phrases so far to decide what to say next based on the training data. They also use search techniques to find information to answer your question and format it based on language rules and prediction models.

                                https://kieranhealy.org/blog/archives/2013/06/09/using-metadata-to-find-paul-revere/

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                                #28

                                @SeanPLynch @stargazersmith @sundogplanets @emilymbender @alex so THIS is what the datacenters are for

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                                • komali_2@mastodon.socialK komali_2@mastodon.social

                                  @bzdev @sundogplanets not to mention statistical analysis through machine learning is what "AI" used to be.

                                  Or pathfinding, game playing agents (including npc programming), image analysis, document parsing...

                                  The best thing is none of this is really "AI" at all

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                                  @komali_2 @sundogplanets At one point at work, the AI group (same building & floor, around the corner) had developed a robot (dubbed Shakey 2) that was kind of a hexagonal can on wheels, a bit like one of the Star Wars robots. It would wander around the hall. The original Shakey needed a radio link because the computer at that time filled a room and Shakey would sit for quite some time "thinking": a good reason for developing efficient search algorithms such as A* that are still used today.

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                                  • landelare@mastodon.gamedev.placeL landelare@mastodon.gamedev.place

                                    @sundogplanets @emilymbender @alex For a moment, I parsed that as an AI Con[vention], but this one is better.

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                                    @landelare
                                    People cos-playing as their favorite LLM.
                                    @sundogplanets @emilymbender @alex

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                                    • seanplynch@mastodon.socialS seanplynch@mastodon.social

                                      @stargazersmith @sundogplanets @emilymbender @alex

                                      LLM's choose the next word based on based on the strength and direction of what is already there. It's a vector & matrices(the linear algebra).

                                      All LLM's built so far become racist, given time.

                                      Like Tay, the teenage Nazi chatbot from Microsoft.
                                      'She' was introduced on Twitter on March 23rd, 2016. Tay was supposed to be a 'fun' teen 'girl' that other teens could talk to.

                                      By March 25th, Tay was a full on Nazi.

                                      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tay_(chatbot)

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                                      @SeanPLynch @stargazersmith @sundogplanets @emilymbender @alex Thanks for the example, but this thread seems to be circling the question. How do the matrices and vectors become racist? I thought the LLM was trained on a large dataset (which might contain racist content) and then fine-tuned to act appropriately. Then each conversation starts with the same matrices and vectors? Perhaps the users find queries that will give racist responses, but any human would be "capable of racism" as such?

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                                      • sundogplanets@mastodon.socialS sundogplanets@mastodon.social

                                        I finally started reading The AI Con by @emilymbender and @alex and I already laughed out loud in the first few pages. "Racist pile of linear algebra" is my new favourite term for genAI.

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                                        @sundogplanets @emilymbender @alex

                                        In the reading process here, too.
                                        With good company.

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                                        • stargazersmith@social.linux.pizzaS stargazersmith@social.linux.pizza

                                          @SeanPLynch @sundogplanets @emilymbender @alex
                                          Seems like a paradigm designed to find a point in the middle of a halo of fuzz, with truth (or even an understanding of the problem at hand) of no particular consideration.

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                                          @stargazersmith @SeanPLynch @sundogplanets @emilymbender @alex to find the mean of a mass of points. Thus AGI will as always be the generally accepted answer supported by the mass of postings on reddit and 8chan.

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