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  • mttaggart@infosec.exchangeM mttaggart@infosec.exchange

    "That's what they said about punch cards and assembly."

    Maybe so! But you know, the thing I won't cede is the design, the architecture. Syntaxes and languages change—layers of abstraction above the machine to make the crafting easier pile up. But when you surrender the strategy of your creation to the model, you surrender something more profound that any given source file.

    "You don't have to give that up!"

    I don't. But the use of the easy machine is tempting in this way. It promises to do those things for you, and over time, most will let it.

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    @mttaggart You can go lower level than punched cards and assembly. I have hand punched binary patches onto paper tape and debugged them with an oscilloscope.

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    • azuaron@cyberpunk.lolA azuaron@cyberpunk.lol

      @mttaggart I've started thinking about this kind of thing like cabinetry. There are beautifully crafted cabinets made by experts with a lifetime of experience... and there's Ikea.

      Businesses have always wanted the Ikea version of code.

      Edit: lol, the Ikea defenders have arrived. Don't bother. If you think Ikea is selling anything of quality, that's lack of experience on your part and nothing to do with me.

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      @Azuaron @mttaggart I think this is unfair to Ikea, whose cabinets do not take it upon themselves to sell your clothes on ebay.

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      • mttaggart@infosec.exchangeM mttaggart@infosec.exchange

        Over here writing code line by line, comment by comment. You know, like someone who "hates technology."

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        @mttaggart vile.

        how could you do this to us.

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        • mttaggart@infosec.exchangeM mttaggart@infosec.exchange

          Over here writing code line by line, comment by comment. You know, like someone who "hates technology."

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          @mttaggart I like the savage chickens pic, really sums it up nicely https://ohai.social/@redsad/116586845951238916

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          • mttaggart@infosec.exchangeM mttaggart@infosec.exchange

            Over here writing code line by line, comment by comment. You know, like someone who "hates technology."

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            @mttaggart For someone who hates tech, we sure to really want to touch our computers more than the people advocating we let computers touch themselves for us.

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            • disorderlyf@todon.euD disorderlyf@todon.eu

              @mttaggart For someone who hates tech, we sure to really want to touch our computers more than the people advocating we let computers touch themselves for us.

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              @disorderlyf @mttaggart Look, if someone's gonna fuck up my computer, it's gonna be me.

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              • mttaggart@infosec.exchangeM mttaggart@infosec.exchange

                Over here writing code line by line, comment by comment. You know, like someone who "hates technology."

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                #32

                @mttaggart Despite AI companies' stated goal or vision to kill coding, I think that there will still be demand on developers who solve complex algorithmic problems. The catch here is that there will be 10s of thousands of LeetCoders applying to the same job positions. Coding won't disappear but writing boilerplate code no longer pays unfortunately. Nevertheless, I admire your patience; once the world becomes vibe, you might be the last Dev standing to fix all our garbage.

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                • mttaggart@infosec.exchangeM mttaggart@infosec.exchange

                  I've spent most of my adult life writing code—not because I had to, but because I love the process. And I've taught hundreds of students (thousands through courses) to love it too. There's a beauty in expressing human reasoning in code, just as there is in mathematics. You can put care into even the most mundane of tasks.

                  I know not everyone feels that way about it. I know for many, maybe most, it's just a job. It's just business.

                  But god damn, we created a wholly new form of expression here. I don't think it's that different from others. It just sells better, so "art" is hard to assign to it.

                  I still think it can be beautiful. But the beauty comes first from the creator's hand.

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                  @mttaggart
                  “it's just business” reminds me: in _The Godfather_ when Michael assures his family that he will murder not for revenge, as “it's not personal, just business”. While the film is upsettingly violent, the truth it speaks is: there are *only* personal reasons, even for capitalists.

                  This #LLM-gen-#AI onslaught is primarily about control. Those who want all this computing to just be an 🏧 seek to *control* the craftspeople.

                  We should use the tools of the oppressor against the oppressor.

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                    @pfriedma @mttaggart
                    As a hobby I've recently found that writing RISC-V assembly is an absolute blast! Get a Pico RP2350 and you have not one but two cores and lots of cool peripherals to play with. And unlike X86, RISCV is actually pleasant and quite readable.

                    No. I'd not write any "real" code in assembler these days. But as a side project it's really fascinating.

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                    • drsbaitso@infosec.exchangeD drsbaitso@infosec.exchange

                      @disorderlyf @mttaggart Look, if someone's gonna fuck up my computer, it's gonna be me.

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                      @drsbaitso @disorderlyf @mttaggart this is the way.

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                      • sassdawe@infosec.exchangeS sassdawe@infosec.exchange

                        @drsbaitso @disorderlyf @mttaggart this is the way.

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                        @sassdawe @disorderlyf @mttaggart it is known

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                        • mttaggart@infosec.exchangeM mttaggart@infosec.exchange

                          Over here writing code line by line, comment by comment. You know, like someone who "hates technology."

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                          @mttaggart
                          Ohh, but some?

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