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  3. hm, i thought KDE was trying to make up for platforming the nazi.

hm, i thought KDE was trying to make up for platforming the nazi.

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  • shnizmuffin@toots.inbutts.lolS shnizmuffin@toots.inbutts.lol

    @skyblitz @davidgerard The proper way to remove a Nazi is to plunge a stake through it's heart, separate the head from the body, crucify the body in sunlight and throw the head across a river.

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    #53

    @shnizmuffin @davidgerard yeah sure sacrifice innocent in the process, you are as bad as nazi.

    And calling for death is a crime btw. so you are really as bad as them. bye criminal

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    • davidgerard@circumstances.runD davidgerard@circumstances.run

      hm, i thought KDE was trying to make up for platforming the nazi. lots of people today saying "let's give KDE a chance!"

      nope, they're now doubling down further.

      this post is a study in the art of nazi apologetics in online discourse - removing the content of the issue and leaving only a description phrased to sound innocent.

      what happened is that the straight-up nazi was posting, someone identified that this person was a straight-up nazi, the nazi admitted they were that nazi, then KDE banned the person calling out the nazi and kept the nazi

      KDE *later* banned the nazi - after public outrage at KDE's behaviour - but the person who called the nazi out is still banned

      the social media person sympathising here with the nazi tries to claim that calling out the nazi is equivalent to real world violence.

      https://archive.ph/dPms4#selection-1304.0-1304.1

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      #54

      This is definitely a "it's worse to call someone a racist than be a racist" type of mentality, an attempt at tone policing, etc.

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      • skyblitz@ieji.deS skyblitz@ieji.de

        @sotolf @davidgerard yeah so beautiful people like you that prefer sacrifice innocent for their anti nazi, your as bad as nazi ...

        me i prefer no nazi and protecting innocent

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        #55

        @skyblitz @davidgerard LoL, what now?!

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        • skyblitz@ieji.deS skyblitz@ieji.de

          @sotolf @davidgerard yeah so beautiful people like you that prefer sacrifice innocent for their anti nazi, your as bad as nazi ...

          me i prefer no nazi and protecting innocent

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          @skyblitz @sotolf @davidgerard Since the "innocent" you're going on about is a fucking Nazi, and in the words of my grandad "The only good Nazi is a dead Nazi" — something he didn't just say but acted on in the Royal Air Force — you can fuck off you goddamn Nazi apologist

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          • davidgerard@circumstances.runD davidgerard@circumstances.run

            hm, i thought KDE was trying to make up for platforming the nazi. lots of people today saying "let's give KDE a chance!"

            nope, they're now doubling down further.

            this post is a study in the art of nazi apologetics in online discourse - removing the content of the issue and leaving only a description phrased to sound innocent.

            what happened is that the straight-up nazi was posting, someone identified that this person was a straight-up nazi, the nazi admitted they were that nazi, then KDE banned the person calling out the nazi and kept the nazi

            KDE *later* banned the nazi - after public outrage at KDE's behaviour - but the person who called the nazi out is still banned

            the social media person sympathising here with the nazi tries to claim that calling out the nazi is equivalent to real world violence.

            https://archive.ph/dPms4#selection-1304.0-1304.1

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            say @davidgerard , are you still blocked by the #KDE Masto account? because they seem to be expanding their block list today.

            the offending comment that lead to the block seems to have been me explaining to someone in KDE's comments that yes, svin is in fact a person who deserves the label "Nazi".

            great job on the "inclusivity" value of your manifesto y'all! truly the logical next step after dismissing the anti-AI parts of the KDE community as an external pressure campaign was to double down.

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            • yuvalne@433.worldY yuvalne@433.world

              say @davidgerard , are you still blocked by the #KDE Masto account? because they seem to be expanding their block list today.

              the offending comment that lead to the block seems to have been me explaining to someone in KDE's comments that yes, svin is in fact a person who deserves the label "Nazi".

              great job on the "inclusivity" value of your manifesto y'all! truly the logical next step after dismissing the anti-AI parts of the KDE community as an external pressure campaign was to double down.

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              #58

              @davidgerard oh nevermind, i see now why that was a blockable offence for them.
              https://fosstodon.org/@niccolove/117326446855586544
              i'd say it's especially worrying that under the thread saying KDE does not harbor fascists someone who's somewhat associated with KDE (even referring to KDE as "we") not considering DHH a fascist is a worrying sign.
              but then i reminded myself that they didn't say they don't harbor fascists, but that they don't harbor "fascists", with the scare quotes.

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              • sotolf@polymaths.socialS sotolf@polymaths.social

                @skyblitz @davidgerard LoL, what now?!

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                @sotolf @davidgerard don’t see the issue you know who else punish innocent people ? Nazi

                So you are the same as them and like them you are blocked mr keyboard warrior

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                • digitalraven@retro.pizzaD digitalraven@retro.pizza

                  @skyblitz @sotolf @davidgerard Since the "innocent" you're going on about is a fucking Nazi, and in the words of my grandad "The only good Nazi is a dead Nazi" — something he didn't just say but acted on in the Royal Air Force — you can fuck off you goddamn Nazi apologist

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                  @digitalraven @skyblitz @davidgerard

                  I'm so confused now, they blocked me because appearantly wanting to kick nazis is.... nazi..

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                  • yuvalne@433.worldY yuvalne@433.world

                    @davidgerard oh nevermind, i see now why that was a blockable offence for them.
                    https://fosstodon.org/@niccolove/117326446855586544
                    i'd say it's especially worrying that under the thread saying KDE does not harbor fascists someone who's somewhat associated with KDE (even referring to KDE as "we") not considering DHH a fascist is a worrying sign.
                    but then i reminded myself that they didn't say they don't harbor fascists, but that they don't harbor "fascists", with the scare quotes.

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                    @Yuvalne @davidgerard > I think he's racist rather than fascist as I've not seen fascist traits

                    jesus fuck

                    kde contributors out here splitting hairs so they can allow, checks notes, racists who they pretend to think aren’t fascists, into the community

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                    • zzt@mas.toZ zzt@mas.to

                      @Yuvalne @davidgerard > I think he's racist rather than fascist as I've not seen fascist traits

                      jesus fuck

                      kde contributors out here splitting hairs so they can allow, checks notes, racists who they pretend to think aren’t fascists, into the community

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                      @zzt @Yuvalne@433.world @davidgerard

                      Self introspection, logic and wisdom have never been the sting point for fascists and their supporters 🫤🤦‍♂️

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                      • zzt@mas.toZ zzt@mas.to

                        @Yuvalne @davidgerard > I think he's racist rather than fascist as I've not seen fascist traits

                        jesus fuck

                        kde contributors out here splitting hairs so they can allow, checks notes, racists who they pretend to think aren’t fascists, into the community

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                        @zzt@mas.to @davidgerard@circumstances.run @Yuvalne@433.world

                        .... is my feeling just a German thing or ... isn't this the same level of dehumanizing fucketry? Like...claiming to not be a fascist, but only racist would make anything better???

                        "Hell yeah, those damn fascists at least got their jail sentences buddy!"
                        "Glad pops we're only racists ha! Nevermind that fascist scum!"

                        Or am I misreading something entirely here? oO

                        <-- utterly confused about the discussion

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                        • zzt@mas.toZ zzt@mas.to

                          @Yuvalne @davidgerard > I think he's racist rather than fascist as I've not seen fascist traits

                          jesus fuck

                          kde contributors out here splitting hairs so they can allow, checks notes, racists who they pretend to think aren’t fascists, into the community

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                          @zzt @Yuvalne @davidgerard fascism is rooted in racism, but I guess this guy is suppesedly "one of the good (?????) racists)? like, what is the point of this distinction other than to divert the discussion

                          Never believe that anti-Semites are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The anti-Semites have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past.
                          ― Jean-Paul Sartre, 1945

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