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  3. A routine reminder that it's always a good idea to boycott #Substack.

A routine reminder that it's always a good idea to boycott #Substack.

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  • _elena@mastodon.social_ This user is from outside of this forum
    _elena@mastodon.social_ This user is from outside of this forum
    _elena@mastodon.social
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    #1

    A routine reminder that it's always a good idea to boycott #Substack.

    We have long known that it platforms and profits from Nazi publications. And now: #manosphere influencers with multiple accusations of serious crimes... so much so that there is a dedicated Wikipedia page about them: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legal_affairs_of_the_Tate_brothers

    No problem for #Substack though! They happily take a 10% cut from all paid subscriptions.

    There are many great alternatives to SS: Ghost, Buttondown, beehiiv, Patreon... no more excuses

    jwildeboer@social.wildeboer.netJ cubeexplorer@mastodon.socialC hwll@sunny.gardenH cassandra_complex@beige.partyC 4 Replies Last reply
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    • _elena@mastodon.social_ _elena@mastodon.social

      A routine reminder that it's always a good idea to boycott #Substack.

      We have long known that it platforms and profits from Nazi publications. And now: #manosphere influencers with multiple accusations of serious crimes... so much so that there is a dedicated Wikipedia page about them: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legal_affairs_of_the_Tate_brothers

      No problem for #Substack though! They happily take a 10% cut from all paid subscriptions.

      There are many great alternatives to SS: Ghost, Buttondown, beehiiv, Patreon... no more excuses

      jwildeboer@social.wildeboer.netJ This user is from outside of this forum
      jwildeboer@social.wildeboer.netJ This user is from outside of this forum
      jwildeboer@social.wildeboer.net
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      #2

      @_elena Calling Substack the SS is kinda harsh, but justified in my opinion 🙂

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      • jwildeboer@social.wildeboer.netJ jwildeboer@social.wildeboer.net

        @_elena Calling Substack the SS is kinda harsh, but justified in my opinion 🙂

        _elena@mastodon.social_ This user is from outside of this forum
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        #3

        @jwildeboer I only abbreviated their name... pretty apt if you ask me... I also call Bluesky "BS" 🙊

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        • _elena@mastodon.social_ _elena@mastodon.social

          @jwildeboer I only abbreviated their name... pretty apt if you ask me... I also call Bluesky "BS" 🙊

          codebuzz@indieweb.socialC This user is from outside of this forum
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          #4

          @_elena @jwildeboer ok, this last one I wholeheartedly agree to.

          Instead of condemning a site or platform, because of one user is kinda.. childish.

          So, Tate lives on earth, we should all go to mars or somewhere?

          Live and let live. This kind of attention, makes them more visible, makes you a part of your own 'problem?'.

          Reminder, it's 2026.. is this the best way to invest energy for something greater. It's easy, but.. better?

          Just saying.

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          • codebuzz@indieweb.socialC codebuzz@indieweb.social

            @_elena @jwildeboer ok, this last one I wholeheartedly agree to.

            Instead of condemning a site or platform, because of one user is kinda.. childish.

            So, Tate lives on earth, we should all go to mars or somewhere?

            Live and let live. This kind of attention, makes them more visible, makes you a part of your own 'problem?'.

            Reminder, it's 2026.. is this the best way to invest energy for something greater. It's easy, but.. better?

            Just saying.

            jwildeboer@social.wildeboer.netJ This user is from outside of this forum
            jwildeboer@social.wildeboer.netJ This user is from outside of this forum
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            #5

            @codebuzz It’s not just one misogynistic guy or just one fascist. It’s also the publicly expressed support by the leadership of Substack to be open to these people. @_elena has my full support for calling them out on this.

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            • jwildeboer@social.wildeboer.netJ jwildeboer@social.wildeboer.net

              @codebuzz It’s not just one misogynistic guy or just one fascist. It’s also the publicly expressed support by the leadership of Substack to be open to these people. @_elena has my full support for calling them out on this.

              _elena@mastodon.social_ This user is from outside of this forum
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              #6

              @jwildeboer thank you Jan! Perfectly said.

              I think it sends a powerful message when people and institutions take a stand.

              For example, the city of Paris quit X in January 2025 calling it "toxic" and denouncing the spread of misinformation that is rampant on it: https://cdn.paris.fr/presse/2025/01/16/6384c82a720b7042570efb650a66b339.pdf

              I wish more cities, politicians, media organizations would follow suit. With X AND Substack

              @codebuzz

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              • jwildeboer@social.wildeboer.netJ jwildeboer@social.wildeboer.net

                @codebuzz It’s not just one misogynistic guy or just one fascist. It’s also the publicly expressed support by the leadership of Substack to be open to these people. @_elena has my full support for calling them out on this.

                stiiin@infosec.spaceS This user is from outside of this forum
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                #7
                @jwildeboer@social.wildeboer.net @_elena@mastodon.social On top of that: even if it's "only" one fascist, if you don't chase them away, you'll end up with a nazi bar. So yes, it is a good idea to invest energy into this phenomenon, @codebuzz@indieweb.social. "Laten we het gezellig houden" is exactly how these undercurrents can fester and grow.
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                • _elena@mastodon.social_ _elena@mastodon.social

                  A routine reminder that it's always a good idea to boycott #Substack.

                  We have long known that it platforms and profits from Nazi publications. And now: #manosphere influencers with multiple accusations of serious crimes... so much so that there is a dedicated Wikipedia page about them: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legal_affairs_of_the_Tate_brothers

                  No problem for #Substack though! They happily take a 10% cut from all paid subscriptions.

                  There are many great alternatives to SS: Ghost, Buttondown, beehiiv, Patreon... no more excuses

                  cubeexplorer@mastodon.socialC This user is from outside of this forum
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                  #8

                  @_elena The line for me is between "free speech" and deliberately divisive "hate speech". The former we tolerate, even if we disagree, the latter should be subjected to the law or - where that fails - deliberate action to call it out and limit its spread. Especially when it's from sources already known to have committed crimes.

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                  • _elena@mastodon.social_ _elena@mastodon.social

                    A routine reminder that it's always a good idea to boycott #Substack.

                    We have long known that it platforms and profits from Nazi publications. And now: #manosphere influencers with multiple accusations of serious crimes... so much so that there is a dedicated Wikipedia page about them: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legal_affairs_of_the_Tate_brothers

                    No problem for #Substack though! They happily take a 10% cut from all paid subscriptions.

                    There are many great alternatives to SS: Ghost, Buttondown, beehiiv, Patreon... no more excuses

                    hwll@sunny.gardenH This user is from outside of this forum
                    hwll@sunny.gardenH This user is from outside of this forum
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                    #9

                    @_elena warms my heart to see this post. I *still* see many allies, even on the fediverse, using and boosting SS newsletters.

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                    • stiiin@infosec.spaceS stiiin@infosec.space
                      @jwildeboer@social.wildeboer.net @_elena@mastodon.social On top of that: even if it's "only" one fascist, if you don't chase them away, you'll end up with a nazi bar. So yes, it is a good idea to invest energy into this phenomenon, @codebuzz@indieweb.social. "Laten we het gezellig houden" is exactly how these undercurrents can fester and grow.
                      mndflayr@metalhead.clubM This user is from outside of this forum
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                      #10

                      @stiiin @jwildeboer @_elena @codebuzz

                      "even if it's "only" one fascist"

                      It isn't. SS (thanks for the abbreviation 😁) is full of those.
                      Tate is only one of many, and it has been a problem for a long time with SS suppoti that kind of people.

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                      • _elena@mastodon.social_ _elena@mastodon.social

                        A routine reminder that it's always a good idea to boycott #Substack.

                        We have long known that it platforms and profits from Nazi publications. And now: #manosphere influencers with multiple accusations of serious crimes... so much so that there is a dedicated Wikipedia page about them: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legal_affairs_of_the_Tate_brothers

                        No problem for #Substack though! They happily take a 10% cut from all paid subscriptions.

                        There are many great alternatives to SS: Ghost, Buttondown, beehiiv, Patreon... no more excuses

                        cassandra_complex@beige.partyC This user is from outside of this forum
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                        #11

                        @_elena
                        I still side-eye those who post to Substack. There's just a non-zero chance that they think my rights to exist without violence or discrimination isn't important the way their newsletters are.

                        I don't follow Substack links, it feels like the digital equivalent to wandering down the alleyway with a hate group meeting every few doors and hoping to come out the other side without them noticing me.

                        It's uncomfortable knowing a few posts down, someone is questioning whether I should be forcibly put in a conversion camp or some shit. Or outright calling for driving people like me out of their community.

                        The responses made by Substack definitely haven't helped any in making me think I'm welcome as their audience unless I want to put myself in a position to see horrendous "takes" like "God needs to smite these [slurs]."

                        TL;DR: I consider Substack to basically be a digital sundown town. No thanks, I'll go where I'm welcome.

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