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  3. So, since the "the fediverse needs to be open to new ideas" canard is going around again, let's just be clear.

So, since the "the fediverse needs to be open to new ideas" canard is going around again, let's just be clear.

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  • xgranade@wandering.shopX This user is from outside of this forum
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    #1

    So, since the "the fediverse needs to be open to new ideas" canard is going around again, let's just be clear. AI is not a new idea, it's the oldest idea in the tech industry.

    It's the idea that capital can embrace, extend, and extinguish computing, the idea that industry is more important than labor, that the climate crisis is an externality not worth worrying about. AI is the idea that stocks matter more than people.

    shelldozer@oldbytes.spaceS nigelharpur@musicians.todayN skyfaller@jawns.clubS theogrin@chaosfem.twT gkrnours@mastodon.gamedev.placeG 5 Replies Last reply
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    • xgranade@wandering.shopX xgranade@wandering.shop

      So, since the "the fediverse needs to be open to new ideas" canard is going around again, let's just be clear. AI is not a new idea, it's the oldest idea in the tech industry.

      It's the idea that capital can embrace, extend, and extinguish computing, the idea that industry is more important than labor, that the climate crisis is an externality not worth worrying about. AI is the idea that stocks matter more than people.

      shelldozer@oldbytes.spaceS This user is from outside of this forum
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      #2

      @xgranade and we've been working on it with digital logic for over 70 years already. Still haven't got it right, or even vaguely close.

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      • xgranade@wandering.shopX xgranade@wandering.shop

        So, since the "the fediverse needs to be open to new ideas" canard is going around again, let's just be clear. AI is not a new idea, it's the oldest idea in the tech industry.

        It's the idea that capital can embrace, extend, and extinguish computing, the idea that industry is more important than labor, that the climate crisis is an externality not worth worrying about. AI is the idea that stocks matter more than people.

        nigelharpur@musicians.todayN This user is from outside of this forum
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        #3

        @xgranade
        What I love about any/all canards going about the most is that... heh... canarder... like... the fediverse... errrmmm... nobody's 'in charge' you know... really... like... nobody 😁

        OK, 'canarder' may not be a real word.

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        • xgranade@wandering.shopX xgranade@wandering.shop

          So, since the "the fediverse needs to be open to new ideas" canard is going around again, let's just be clear. AI is not a new idea, it's the oldest idea in the tech industry.

          It's the idea that capital can embrace, extend, and extinguish computing, the idea that industry is more important than labor, that the climate crisis is an externality not worth worrying about. AI is the idea that stocks matter more than people.

          skyfaller@jawns.clubS This user is from outside of this forum
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          #4

          @xgranade @jwz Fundamentally the argument is "fedi must become exactly like every other space that is overwhelmed with slop". Like, name another network or website that is generally negative about LLMs. This is like arguing every restaurant should be McDonald's. Let fedi be different, please.

          https://webcomicname.com/post/185588404109

          jwz@mastodon.socialJ jbc@mathstodon.xyzJ erisceleste@tech.lgbtE 3 Replies Last reply
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          • skyfaller@jawns.clubS skyfaller@jawns.club

            @xgranade @jwz Fundamentally the argument is "fedi must become exactly like every other space that is overwhelmed with slop". Like, name another network or website that is generally negative about LLMs. This is like arguing every restaurant should be McDonald's. Let fedi be different, please.

            https://webcomicname.com/post/185588404109

            jwz@mastodon.socialJ This user is from outside of this forum
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            #5

            @skyfaller @xgranade Everybody knows that all restaurants are Taco Bell.

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            • skyfaller@jawns.clubS skyfaller@jawns.club

              @xgranade @jwz Fundamentally the argument is "fedi must become exactly like every other space that is overwhelmed with slop". Like, name another network or website that is generally negative about LLMs. This is like arguing every restaurant should be McDonald's. Let fedi be different, please.

              https://webcomicname.com/post/185588404109

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              #6

              @xgranade I agree with your main point, but just to say, in terms of other internet spaces where they go hard on LLMs, I think some of these crazy kids on Lemmy are doing the Lord's work

              https://lemmy.world/c/fuck_ai

              and in general across other spaces on Lemmy which aren't explicitly about shitting on LLMs, from what I've seen, the takes seem sane the majority of the time.

              But I think this fits your point actually: both spaces (Masto & Lemmy) have much less pressure to lick corporate boots, so people tend to get less caught up in this frenzy of claiming their allegiance to the Shiny New Tech Thing

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              • xgranade@wandering.shopX xgranade@wandering.shop

                So, since the "the fediverse needs to be open to new ideas" canard is going around again, let's just be clear. AI is not a new idea, it's the oldest idea in the tech industry.

                It's the idea that capital can embrace, extend, and extinguish computing, the idea that industry is more important than labor, that the climate crisis is an externality not worth worrying about. AI is the idea that stocks matter more than people.

                theogrin@chaosfem.twT This user is from outside of this forum
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                #7

                @xgranade

                The Fediverse has been open to quite a lot of new ideas. Many of these ideas are considered, often at length, and then discarded when it so transpires that the ideas are, in fact, shit.

                The Techbro contingent are certainly trying to pretend that their Bright New Thing isn't just an exploitative variant on every fucking technological snake oil that we've seen since someone banged two rocks together to make fire, but we have no reason to treat their world-burning chatbots with any more faith than the assholes trying to convince us that ivermectin, wolfsbane and placenta are a panacea.

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                • skyfaller@jawns.clubS skyfaller@jawns.club

                  @xgranade @jwz Fundamentally the argument is "fedi must become exactly like every other space that is overwhelmed with slop". Like, name another network or website that is generally negative about LLMs. This is like arguing every restaurant should be McDonald's. Let fedi be different, please.

                  https://webcomicname.com/post/185588404109

                  erisceleste@tech.lgbtE This user is from outside of this forum
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                  #8

                  @skyfaller the existence of any space that does not reaffirm Received Truth is inherently a threat to it
                  @xgranade @jwz

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                  • xgranade@wandering.shopX xgranade@wandering.shop

                    So, since the "the fediverse needs to be open to new ideas" canard is going around again, let's just be clear. AI is not a new idea, it's the oldest idea in the tech industry.

                    It's the idea that capital can embrace, extend, and extinguish computing, the idea that industry is more important than labor, that the climate crisis is an externality not worth worrying about. AI is the idea that stocks matter more than people.

                    gkrnours@mastodon.gamedev.placeG This user is from outside of this forum
                    gkrnours@mastodon.gamedev.placeG This user is from outside of this forum
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                    #9

                    @xgranade this remind me of the old "if you want that, do it yourself. *do the thing themselves*. wait, no, what are you doing, that's not allowed è_é"

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                    • jwz@mastodon.socialJ jwz@mastodon.social

                      @skyfaller @xgranade Everybody knows that all restaurants are Taco Bell.

                      gkrnours@mastodon.gamedev.placeG This user is from outside of this forum
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                      #10

                      @jwz @skyfaller @xgranade it depend on your localisation.
                      https://www.cbr.com/demolition-man-taco-ball-pizza-hut-switch/

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