Firstly, I want to be incredibly clear on something: the regime in Iran is murderous, misogynistic, autocratic, anti-diversity, torturing, kidnapping bastards.
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Firstly, I want to be incredibly clear on something: the regime in Iran is murderous, misogynistic, autocratic, anti-diversity, torturing, kidnapping bastards.
All that being said, I don't know when the US and the west in general is going to learn that you cannot defeat an enemy determined to defend its own territory via aerial bombardment. Period.
It has never happened. Never. Not once.The US has even tried it with boots on the ground - in Vietnam, in Afghanistan, in Iraq. It doesn't work
@Remittancegirl Fine, fine, but at least the biggest headlines aren’t about the Epstein Files any more, right?
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Firstly, I want to be incredibly clear on something: the regime in Iran is murderous, misogynistic, autocratic, anti-diversity, torturing, kidnapping bastards.
All that being said, I don't know when the US and the west in general is going to learn that you cannot defeat an enemy determined to defend its own territory via aerial bombardment. Period.
It has never happened. Never. Not once.The US has even tried it with boots on the ground - in Vietnam, in Afghanistan, in Iraq. It doesn't work
I spent 20 years living in a country that defeated and ejected an American force of over 1/2 a million at one point. I studied the history of that war, and the war to oust the French before it.
With a tiny percentage of its resources, its military technology, etc. The reality is, people who love their country (not necessarily their governments), can and do bear unbelievable levels of misery to hang onto it.
It's not theoretical for them. It's their country.
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I spent 20 years living in a country that defeated and ejected an American force of over 1/2 a million at one point. I studied the history of that war, and the war to oust the French before it.
With a tiny percentage of its resources, its military technology, etc. The reality is, people who love their country (not necessarily their governments), can and do bear unbelievable levels of misery to hang onto it.
It's not theoretical for them. It's their country.
I think many countries - especially colonised countries - learned a LOT from the fall of France, Belgium, Holland, etc. to the Nazis during WWII.
The first was to absolutely believe your country CAN be taken from you. The second was to determine that you'd rather die than relinquish it. The third is that the invading enemy has a lower tolerance for loss than you have.
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And Russia tried it too - in Afghanistan, and now in Ukraine, and it isn't working.
These attempts cost tens of thousands, sometimes hundreds of thousands of civilian lives, at they still fail.
The definition of stupidity is to keep trying the same thing over and over, and keep on failing.
At some point, I think we have to simply accept, these fuckers enjoy killing innocent people.
@Remittancegirl The latter, sadly, I believe to be the truth.
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@Remittancegirl The latter, sadly, I believe to be the truth.
@Eetschrijver That is the only explanation for what they are doing that makes any sense. That they are enjoying it.
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I spent 20 years living in a country that defeated and ejected an American force of over 1/2 a million at one point. I studied the history of that war, and the war to oust the French before it.
With a tiny percentage of its resources, its military technology, etc. The reality is, people who love their country (not necessarily their governments), can and do bear unbelievable levels of misery to hang onto it.
It's not theoretical for them. It's their country.
@Remittancegirl extra amazing that ho chi minh tried to go to washington to make friends before the french exited, but they jerked him around
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I spent 20 years living in a country that defeated and ejected an American force of over 1/2 a million at one point. I studied the history of that war, and the war to oust the French before it.
With a tiny percentage of its resources, its military technology, etc. The reality is, people who love their country (not necessarily their governments), can and do bear unbelievable levels of misery to hang onto it.
It's not theoretical for them. It's their country.
@Remittancegirl And even under flawed government systems, assuming the US is not oppressing them, eventually...
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@Remittancegirl extra amazing that ho chi minh tried to go to washington to make friends before the french exited, but they jerked him around
@Kierkegaanks Yes. There are some heartbreakingly poignant letters from him to Eisenhower begging him to recognise that all Vietnam wanted was the same freedom the US fought for in its war of Independence.
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@Eetschrijver That is the only explanation for what they are doing that makes any sense. That they are enjoying it.
@Remittancegirl Occam's razor.
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And Russia tried it too - in Afghanistan, and now in Ukraine, and it isn't working.
These attempts cost tens of thousands, sometimes hundreds of thousands of civilian lives, at they still fail.
The definition of stupidity is to keep trying the same thing over and over, and keep on failing.
At some point, I think we have to simply accept, these fuckers enjoy killing innocent people.
Many enjoy the killing.
Many enjoy the profits.
I met an engineer from Lockheed Martin, when I was working on an IT project.
He said "We make computers too. But they fly over people and drop bombs on them."
He said that with pride.
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Firstly, I want to be incredibly clear on something: the regime in Iran is murderous, misogynistic, autocratic, anti-diversity, torturing, kidnapping bastards.
All that being said, I don't know when the US and the west in general is going to learn that you cannot defeat an enemy determined to defend its own territory via aerial bombardment. Period.
It has never happened. Never. Not once.The US has even tried it with boots on the ground - in Vietnam, in Afghanistan, in Iraq. It doesn't work
@Remittancegirl apparently marines are being moved into the theater already, so the "bombs only" phase is already over. Solid analysis though.
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Firstly, I want to be incredibly clear on something: the regime in Iran is murderous, misogynistic, autocratic, anti-diversity, torturing, kidnapping bastards.
All that being said, I don't know when the US and the west in general is going to learn that you cannot defeat an enemy determined to defend its own territory via aerial bombardment. Period.
It has never happened. Never. Not once.The US has even tried it with boots on the ground - in Vietnam, in Afghanistan, in Iraq. It doesn't work
@Remittancegirl Agent Trumpov recently allowed companies to buy russian oil "to stabilize market"...
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I think many countries - especially colonised countries - learned a LOT from the fall of France, Belgium, Holland, etc. to the Nazis during WWII.
The first was to absolutely believe your country CAN be taken from you. The second was to determine that you'd rather die than relinquish it. The third is that the invading enemy has a lower tolerance for loss than you have.
Watching today’s public debates only teaches us that anything learned by one generation can be rapidly and completely unlearned by the next ones, who will absolutely happily repeat the same apparently obvious and idiotic mistakes that led to the past disasters in the first place
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I spent 20 years living in a country that defeated and ejected an American force of over 1/2 a million at one point. I studied the history of that war, and the war to oust the French before it.
With a tiny percentage of its resources, its military technology, etc. The reality is, people who love their country (not necessarily their governments), can and do bear unbelievable levels of misery to hang onto it.
It's not theoretical for them. It's their country.
Unless you're Canadian.
Or English or Australian, or name your collaborating 'allied' nation tied to US tech, the US dollar, and a US-style economy based on lies and boundless energy and material waste.
Then you roll over and show your belly.
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I spent 20 years living in a country that defeated and ejected an American force of over 1/2 a million at one point. I studied the history of that war, and the war to oust the French before it.
With a tiny percentage of its resources, its military technology, etc. The reality is, people who love their country (not necessarily their governments), can and do bear unbelievable levels of misery to hang onto it.
It's not theoretical for them. It's their country.
@Remittancegirl
Ironically, this is the mythology we were taught when I was a kid for why the British lost to the American upstarts in their revolution. -
I spent 20 years living in a country that defeated and ejected an American force of over 1/2 a million at one point. I studied the history of that war, and the war to oust the French before it.
With a tiny percentage of its resources, its military technology, etc. The reality is, people who love their country (not necessarily their governments), can and do bear unbelievable levels of misery to hang onto it.
It's not theoretical for them. It's their country.
@Remittancegirl home field advantage is immesurable!
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Firstly, I want to be incredibly clear on something: the regime in Iran is murderous, misogynistic, autocratic, anti-diversity, torturing, kidnapping bastards.
All that being said, I don't know when the US and the west in general is going to learn that you cannot defeat an enemy determined to defend its own territory via aerial bombardment. Period.
It has never happened. Never. Not once.The US has even tried it with boots on the ground - in Vietnam, in Afghanistan, in Iraq. It doesn't work
@Remittancegirl can't hear you can't hear you canthearyounananananan
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@Kierkegaanks Yes. There are some heartbreakingly poignant letters from him to Eisenhower begging him to recognise that all Vietnam wanted was the same freedom the US fought for in its war of Independence.
@Remittancegirl @Kierkegaanks he also purged Vietnamese radicals in 1945, account by one of them here. Was fully ready to run a modern capitalist state integrated into the global economy. Parallels with CLR James's account of the Haitian Revolution where the US was also one of the entities most resistant to any kind of independence. https://libcom.org/article/moscow-trial-ho-chi-minhs-guerrilla-movement-ngo-van-xuyet
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I think many countries - especially colonised countries - learned a LOT from the fall of France, Belgium, Holland, etc. to the Nazis during WWII.
The first was to absolutely believe your country CAN be taken from you. The second was to determine that you'd rather die than relinquish it. The third is that the invading enemy has a lower tolerance for loss than you have.
@Remittancegirl I’d also highlight the experience of the UK (which I was reading earlier today) in WW2, which could perhaps be summed up as “in war, there are no allies, only self-interested countries”. PM Churchill begged and pleaded with President Roosevelt for destroyers to attack the Nazi U-boats who were sinking the merchant fleet and starving the UK. Churchill sent an insane number of letters to Roosevelt that all went unanswered. In the end the Americans grudgingly sent the UK a small number of rusted obsolete destroyers that did nothing to help turn the tide. Lesson: do not find yourself in a position where you must depend on allies. Canada would be wise to take note.
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@Kierkegaanks Yes. There are some heartbreakingly poignant letters from him to Eisenhower begging him to recognise that all Vietnam wanted was the same freedom the US fought for in its war of Independence.
@Remittancegirl Do you have any good reading on Ho Chi Minh? I'm curious about getting a more realistic perception of him and the movement he was part of than the very superficial / stereotypical story-telling I've gotten from my national media @Kierkegaanks
