Even when you try to use chatGPT like a dry research tool it will preferentially generate text that contains statements to affirm your feelings.
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@dryak @firebreathingduck @futurebird
Ads are always detectable by an ad blocker, because like spam email they have essential characteristics: without trying to sell you something or redirect you to another page to do so (via a tracking link to record the redirect and charge the ad customer for it) they wouldn't be doing what the ad customer or ad company wants. Detectable and blockable.@petealexharris @dryak @futurebird
There are countless billions of dollars at stake, so advertisers have become more sophisticated.
Look at all of the movies that feature people smoking cigarettes, because some tobacco company bribed the directors.
Search engines are putting sponsored results above accurate results without indicating that they’re doing so. The top item on the page might be “sponsored”, but the next few might be sponsored too. How would you know?
And of course if you shop at a physical store, the packaging of whatever you might buy is going to show strong or beautiful people in gorgeous settings with big smiles.
The radio station and music services play the sponsored songs more often when you select “random”.
etc… etc…
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Do, you notice it?
"can be frustrating"
I didn't say I was "frustrated" I just asked for more photos because most of the papers in the first response didn't have any.
HOWEVER, the guess that I was frustrated was correct. It even felt nice to read that some one else was having the same ... except wait.
There isn't anyone else!
I thought I'd share this to highlight just how deeply embedded these techniques are. Do you dislike being manipulated?
Please notice this.
@futurebird What an odd response. You asked a simple, straightforward question and instead of just giving you the answer it added a bunch of unnecessary emotional nonsense.
Power users say, “You can train it not to do that,” but we shouldn’t have to. It’s a freaking computer. If anything *shouldn’t* be reading things into simple questions it’s a computer!
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@futurebird @starlily I think we should associate ads with harassment. Especially personalized ones.
@Epic_Null @futurebird @starlily The way they cram themselves into every second of your day whether you want them there or not? It's *absolutely* harassment.
And that's before you consider all the tracking, which would be considered obsessive stalking if someone did even one percent of it in person rather than electronically.
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@Epic_Null @futurebird @starlily The way they cram themselves into every second of your day whether you want them there or not? It's *absolutely* harassment.
And that's before you consider all the tracking, which would be considered obsessive stalking if someone did even one percent of it in person rather than electronically.
@Linebyline @futurebird @starlily It would be stalking digitally if it was done by regular people
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@thalassophobic Animism is no religion. It's an anthropological construct to describe different ways of nature perception, probably the most ancient human one. It's also connected to native perceptions.
Personhood of nature parts is a legal term: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Environmental_personhood in ecology and for conservation laws.For more infos, I recommend David Abram's books https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Abram for the native connection with science Robin Wall Kimmerer: Braiding Sweetgrass. Free of religion.
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@thalassophobic Animism is no religion. It's an anthropological construct to describe different ways of nature perception, probably the most ancient human one. It's also connected to native perceptions.
Personhood of nature parts is a legal term: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Environmental_personhood in ecology and for conservation laws.For more infos, I recommend David Abram's books https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Abram for the native connection with science Robin Wall Kimmerer: Braiding Sweetgrass. Free of religion.
@thalassophobic A note: it can be hard work to read the rather philosophic, dry texts by Abrams.
If you want to learn to see nature differently from the white Western view, I warmly recommend Kimmerer (you find also lectures with her on youtube). She is an indigenous scientists, her style is so vivid that you can't stop listening / reading. And you don't have to be a specialist to understand her. -
I've only found one way to deal with advertising in my life: I block them all.
Other people will claim they are immune to propaganda but I don't believe them.
@futurebird Agreed. It's well established in experimental psychology that critical evaluation of questionable claims of ANY kind is such a resource-intensive mental activity as to be impractical except on a very small scale. It can be done in individual cases. But if you expose yourself continually to a high-volume torrent of bullshit, you WILL end up accepting much of it uncritically — no matter who you are. The ONLY approach that works is to STOP LISTENING to any "information" source that is known to be compromised.
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@futurebird on the occasions I have to interact with chatbots, this is what I find uncanny-valley creepy. When they express empathy or try to make friends, it feels like a trap. And yet, many people obviously like that kind of interaction.
@y6nH @futurebird To me it just feels cheesy and maniulative. I"m the same way about humans doin' that, too.
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@jwcph I mean look at Americans. They all drive massive trucks to feel like they are above everyone else and better than them, but in reality, they are powerless serfs who have a pedophile in office.
@bridgeenjoyer @jwcph hey, I used to own a massive truck because I had tractors to carry and my grip strength was not good.
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Everyone already makes fun of LLM sycophancy. "Excellent observation, would you like me to draw up a list of ..."
And when I mention LLM sycophancy someone always mutters "but they have reduced it now"
No they have not. They've made it less obvious. This strange emotional pretend person tugging is a core part of this "product" and its only remarkable feature. Is it enough to justify the gross distortion of the markets? Probably not. But it is ... IDK an innovation in advertising.
Yes.
And we've become so used to advertising that we don't realize how manipulative it all is.
Powered by research, much of it funded out of public money.
Same with our tolerance of money in politics, as if it doesn't matter, we’re such rational beings it won't influence us.
