Europeans don't, maybe sometimes can't, understand the absolute crushing pressure and gaslighting that most Americans are put through to make us the way we are.
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@cy @TheQuinbox @quinn Exactly. Over 60 years of gasslighting, before people in the comunist block found out just how bad it was for them.
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"I think most Americans don't know what complete poverty looks like. Or what being bombed or shot in your home looks like. Or what slave labor looks like."
i expect more & more americans are going to get a forceful education in this as things rapidly deteriorate here. no excuses. we let it happen.
@saltywizard @pixie @quinn yup. These things never stay limited to one group. If those in power will take food and labor and shelter and life from the most vulnerable, they will not hesitate to take it from you too.
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@saltywizard @pixie @quinn yup. These things never stay limited to one group. If those in power will take food and labor and shelter and life from the most vulnerable, they will not hesitate to take it from you too.
and when they finally run out of peasants to devour, they'll have to consume themselves.
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@cy @TheQuinbox @quinn Exactly. Over 60 years of gasslighting, before people in the comunist block found out just how bad it was for them.
It's a little different than brainwashing them into becoming mindless consumer drones. But yeah, they weren't exactly allowed to criticize their new benevolent police force. Though I've heard a lot of the current bullshit in the USA came out of behavioral manipulation techniques pioneered by the KGB... and of course North Korea.
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@quinn for decades your TV overwhelmingly presented an affluent white suburban middle class to be the normal way everyone lives. It took a very long time for media with a different perspective to reach us in any volume
@quinn @kyle_pegasus The longer I live in this walkable city, the more I outright resent and detest my suburban upbringing. Never again.
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Europeans don't, maybe sometimes can't, understand the absolute crushing pressure and gaslighting that most Americans are put through to make us the way we are.
It's a decades long effort to turn most of the population into a money and power pump for a tiny elite class, all while grinding us into dust.
We're crazy and scared all the time, and have no idea what's going on in the rest of the world.
There's a reason dying of opiates seemed like a rational choice to a lot of people.
@quinn I think it's not necessarily out of grasp for a lot of Europeans, it's just that they get fed a lot of US propaganda about the US too. But I think plenty of Europeans have a basic grasp of the circumstances of the average working person in the Russian Federation, and that's not totally dissimilar? Highly propagandized, living under a deeply militarized security state, with a shockingly low standard of living because of frayed social systems and a gut-shot civil society, leading to many people withdrawing from politics and widespread deaths of despair.
Europeans would get much closer to understanding the US if they think in those terms basically.
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@quinn I think it's not necessarily out of grasp for a lot of Europeans, it's just that they get fed a lot of US propaganda about the US too. But I think plenty of Europeans have a basic grasp of the circumstances of the average working person in the Russian Federation, and that's not totally dissimilar? Highly propagandized, living under a deeply militarized security state, with a shockingly low standard of living because of frayed social systems and a gut-shot civil society, leading to many people withdrawing from politics and widespread deaths of despair.
Europeans would get much closer to understanding the US if they think in those terms basically.
@quinn If more Europeans understood that in the US every single police officer is armed to a military standard, there is no place in the US you can go where you will not encounter police multiple times a day, US police are encouraged to hide and lie as part of daily operations, and the US has the worlds highest prison population, like just that set of facts kind of explains a lot?
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@3am @clarablackink @quinn and it's not even a "oh there's brown/Black people there" necessarily. Whites aren't even a majority in Texas anymore. I guess it's just The Liberals
@JessTheUnstill @3am @clarablackink @quinn When I (native Texan) moved to California, friends/family were all like, oh you'll get red paint thrown at you if you wear leather, or you'll have to get your car's exhaust completely redone, or the taxes there are out of control.
What I found is that CA news is heavily spun in TX, and TX news is... just as bad or worse than presented in CA.
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Europeans don't, maybe sometimes can't, understand the absolute crushing pressure and gaslighting that most Americans are put through to make us the way we are.
It's a decades long effort to turn most of the population into a money and power pump for a tiny elite class, all while grinding us into dust.
We're crazy and scared all the time, and have no idea what's going on in the rest of the world.
There's a reason dying of opiates seemed like a rational choice to a lot of people.
@quinn You are the leader of your own life.
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@quinn Greetings from California! When I visited other parts of the US, I experienced culture shock that I was not prepared to experience within my own country. Even in the poorer parts of California, lifestyles are dramatically different. Head out to other states and you see even more of it. The US is 50 countries in a trench coat
Inside America's "Third World" States (It's Not What You Think)
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@genehack fuckin true man
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@quinn Americans also often don't travel within our own country.
One of my current neighbors thinks she would need pepper spray to travel abroad and she's disinterested in traveling more than a state or two away from home. She's so extremely angry but the other neighbors are so sweet to her. The fear has her trapped in this small corner of life and the smallness of her life has her angry, resentful, and clingy.
Folks have ideas about the other states informed by tv and news.
@clarablackink @quinn Many of us have to choose between "visit the next city" or "lose a sick day."
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@quinn The broader world is as foreign to many Americans as California is to Florida or Utah is to New York.
Its an important part of understanding and facing our challenges.
Most folks aren't so different but the belief that they are makes them coil up into tiny worlds and tiny lives, fearful of every possible source of joy and thus angry at every possible theft of joy that's within that tiny worldview.
@clarablackink @quinn Don't forget taking shit for traveling overseas. I'll never forget that.
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Europeans don't, maybe sometimes can't, understand the absolute crushing pressure and gaslighting that most Americans are put through to make us the way we are.
It's a decades long effort to turn most of the population into a money and power pump for a tiny elite class, all while grinding us into dust.
We're crazy and scared all the time, and have no idea what's going on in the rest of the world.
There's a reason dying of opiates seemed like a rational choice to a lot of people.
Is the solution to get more people to vote and vote wisely?
Or is that not the right strategy?
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Europeans don't, maybe sometimes can't, understand the absolute crushing pressure and gaslighting that most Americans are put through to make us the way we are.
It's a decades long effort to turn most of the population into a money and power pump for a tiny elite class, all while grinding us into dust.
We're crazy and scared all the time, and have no idea what's going on in the rest of the world.
There's a reason dying of opiates seemed like a rational choice to a lot of people.
@quinn so even America's failures are exceptional
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@clarablackink @quinn Don't forget taking shit for traveling overseas. I'll never forget that.
@drwho @clarablackink @quinn Yeah, the “very different worlds” experience of having some mentors see my semester in China as upwardly-mobile and career-making and having some relatives decide then and there I was forever after a brainwashed commie (and I’d still have *identified as a republican* at the time.) But a lot of left-wing folks of my acquaintance decided I must have become a converted communist on exactly the same evidence. The profundity of black and white thinking and in-group vs. out-group sentiment based in narrowcasting informational control even twenty years ago was bad, and now it’s positively horrific. It’s *intended* to replace the educational negotiations of diverse community perspectives with kneejerk reactions to team colors.
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Europeans don't, maybe sometimes can't, understand the absolute crushing pressure and gaslighting that most Americans are put through to make us the way we are.
It's a decades long effort to turn most of the population into a money and power pump for a tiny elite class, all while grinding us into dust.
We're crazy and scared all the time, and have no idea what's going on in the rest of the world.
There's a reason dying of opiates seemed like a rational choice to a lot of people.
@quinn
Hey, hang in there! I know decades of Hollywood movies showing Americans defeat dictators and oppressive regimes all around the world can't be wrong
I have full faith that you'll be able to deal with this one too!But seriously, the part about being crazy and scared sounds to me like you guys might have quite a bit in common with some of the Russians living currently under Putin's regime they oppose. Not saying the US is yet that far in the deep end, but still.
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@drwho @clarablackink @quinn Yeah, the “very different worlds” experience of having some mentors see my semester in China as upwardly-mobile and career-making and having some relatives decide then and there I was forever after a brainwashed commie (and I’d still have *identified as a republican* at the time.) But a lot of left-wing folks of my acquaintance decided I must have become a converted communist on exactly the same evidence. The profundity of black and white thinking and in-group vs. out-group sentiment based in narrowcasting informational control even twenty years ago was bad, and now it’s positively horrific. It’s *intended* to replace the educational negotiations of diverse community perspectives with kneejerk reactions to team colors.
@cwicseolfor @clarablackink @quinn I was told that I "was getting above my station and needed to learn a few lessons."
I told my relatives that it was a conference for work when I lived in DC and suddenly that was okay.
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Europeans don't, maybe sometimes can't, understand the absolute crushing pressure and gaslighting that most Americans are put through to make us the way we are.
It's a decades long effort to turn most of the population into a money and power pump for a tiny elite class, all while grinding us into dust.
We're crazy and scared all the time, and have no idea what's going on in the rest of the world.
There's a reason dying of opiates seemed like a rational choice to a lot of people.
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Europeans don't, maybe sometimes can't, understand the absolute crushing pressure and gaslighting that most Americans are put through to make us the way we are.
It's a decades long effort to turn most of the population into a money and power pump for a tiny elite class, all while grinding us into dust.
We're crazy and scared all the time, and have no idea what's going on in the rest of the world.
There's a reason dying of opiates seemed like a rational choice to a lot of people.
@quinn The utter insanity of people quoting Horatio Alger and the pull yourself up by your bootstraps nonsense as aspirational...I can't even.
We are living in Gilded Age 2 Electric Boogaloo and people are still blaming themselves when their kids are hungry.
We are bombarded with late stage capitalism messaging from wakefulness to hopefully ad-free dreams. Except for paper books, and owned media, there is no factor of our reality that is not serving us advertising telling us that life would just be better if we spent more. That people with more are better people. And you want to be a better person, so you should buy this thing. If you don't, you're a bad person.
