Well, this is cute.
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@pluralistic searching for holiday flights yesterday, KLM offered to "hold this price" for me for the low low cost of €180
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@pluralistic Somebody told me once to use library computers to escape airlines’ maximum-possible-pricing algorithm, since it is essentially impossible for them to perform any sort of tracking or identifying there.
I haven’t tested this but it feels like a good idea?
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Well, this is cute. I looked up an #AirCanada flight in Firefox and then pasted the URL into a Chromium window where I was logged into my Aeroplan Super-Elite account. Air Canada added $300 to the flight price when I tried to load it from a logged-in browser. Hell of a customer loyalty perk!
I bought the ticket in my non-logged-in window, then added my FF number to it.
@pluralistic I've had an onlineshop showing a higher price for a product when using search, and a lower one when using list filtering. Dark patterns everywhere. https://cweiske.de/tagebuch/computeruniverse-doppelprodukt.htm
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@pluralistic loyalty is punishable.
@mcSlibinas @pluralistic shopping without a loyalty card at a big box pharmacy or grocery store often dramatically increases the price of many items, sometimes even double the price!
I miss the old style bar code loyalty cards where no Personally Identifiable Information other than your actual purchases were disclosed.
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@tstruthers
How much was the flight???!?!@econads @pluralistic 4k for my family from the EU back to the US. But yes holding the price for €180 is crazy, I'm gonna price it again tonight and see how much higher it is, guessing more than €180
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A coworker in sales told me that he always uses private mode to shop for flights/travel. Something to do with cookies talking to each other that ratchets up the prices.
@angela_underscore @pluralistic yes, this a long-standing well known thing (I remember learning about it in the 1990s).
I believe it was cracked down on in the EU in the 2000s... however things like the number of people searching can still drive prices up so it's best not to keep logging in and looking at the same flights several times over a day or two - especially not from different browsers, devices, profiles...
It's all a bit of a game - I myself just booked flights on Ryanair where the price increased *WHILE I WAS SUBMITTING MY CARD DETAILS* so I got a scary error message and kicked back to the booking screen. Luckily, I wasn't double-charged. I also tried renting a car through my usual Enterprise account and they wanted to charge almost 10x the price I got from another source!
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Well, this is cute. I looked up an #AirCanada flight in Firefox and then pasted the URL into a Chromium window where I was logged into my Aeroplan Super-Elite account. Air Canada added $300 to the flight price when I tried to load it from a logged-in browser. Hell of a customer loyalty perk!
I bought the ticket in my non-logged-in window, then added my FF number to it.
@pluralistic and prices are higher when you search with an expensive tool like an iphone or ipad. I tested that already 20 years ago(!) when I had to book flights and hotels for my managers. And today they cheat you even more.
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@angela_underscore @pluralistic yes, this a long-standing well known thing (I remember learning about it in the 1990s).
I believe it was cracked down on in the EU in the 2000s... however things like the number of people searching can still drive prices up so it's best not to keep logging in and looking at the same flights several times over a day or two - especially not from different browsers, devices, profiles...
It's all a bit of a game - I myself just booked flights on Ryanair where the price increased *WHILE I WAS SUBMITTING MY CARD DETAILS* so I got a scary error message and kicked back to the booking screen. Luckily, I wasn't double-charged. I also tried renting a car through my usual Enterprise account and they wanted to charge almost 10x the price I got from another source!
I have also read that Mac users get fed higher travel prices. Not sure if it’s true, but it is believable.
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Well, this is cute. I looked up an #AirCanada flight in Firefox and then pasted the URL into a Chromium window where I was logged into my Aeroplan Super-Elite account. Air Canada added $300 to the flight price when I tried to load it from a logged-in browser. Hell of a customer loyalty perk!
I bought the ticket in my non-logged-in window, then added my FF number to it.
@pluralistic Why is this sort of shit not illegal?
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Well, this is cute. I looked up an #AirCanada flight in Firefox and then pasted the URL into a Chromium window where I was logged into my Aeroplan Super-Elite account. Air Canada added $300 to the flight price when I tried to load it from a logged-in browser. Hell of a customer loyalty perk!
I bought the ticket in my non-logged-in window, then added my FF number to it.
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Well, this is cute. I looked up an #AirCanada flight in Firefox and then pasted the URL into a Chromium window where I was logged into my Aeroplan Super-Elite account. Air Canada added $300 to the flight price when I tried to load it from a logged-in browser. Hell of a customer loyalty perk!
I bought the ticket in my non-logged-in window, then added my FF number to it.
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@pluralistic Why is this sort of shit not illegal?
@hannorein 'Cos of who we elect to make laws.
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@pluralistic loyalty is punishable.
Based off of what Cory has written up about Amazon, oh baby, yes.
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@energisch_ it's because I'm a frequent flier, so they assume they already have my business and can cheat me without losing it.
How can inflation be measured properly if everyone gets personalized algorithmic pricing?
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A coworker in sales told me that he always uses private mode to shop for flights/travel. Something to do with cookies talking to each other that ratchets up the prices.
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How can inflation be measured properly if everyone gets personalized algorithmic pricing?
@RealHobberman @pluralistic @energisch_ Ah, yes, the personalised pricing algorithm will select prices for the people buying the inflation basket in order to get the numbers they want ...
Like the diesel cheat code that spotted when it was being tested and produced different results.
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How can inflation be measured properly if everyone gets personalized algorithmic pricing?
@RealHobberman @pluralistic @energisch_ The purpose of a system is what it does.
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@mcSlibinas @pluralistic shopping without a loyalty card at a big box pharmacy or grocery store often dramatically increases the price of many items, sometimes even double the price!
I miss the old style bar code loyalty cards where no Personally Identifiable Information other than your actual purchases were disclosed.
@mcrocker @pluralistic that's true. So you need a choice to use card or not. When buying in chrome browser you didn't have right to choose.
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Well, this is cute. I looked up an #AirCanada flight in Firefox and then pasted the URL into a Chromium window where I was logged into my Aeroplan Super-Elite account. Air Canada added $300 to the flight price when I tried to load it from a logged-in browser. Hell of a customer loyalty perk!
I bought the ticket in my non-logged-in window, then added my FF number to it.
@pluralistic To be 'fair', insurance companies are employing similar 'price adjustments' upon multiple inquiries. Progressive is a more prominent one, where they hike premiums upon how many times you search for better pricing.
It's actually classic abuse of power. Remove them from power, to 'insure' your children's future.
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A coworker in sales told me that he always uses private mode to shop for flights/travel. Something to do with cookies talking to each other that ratchets up the prices.
@angela_underscore @pluralistic I think the phrase you were looking for is "that rackets up the prices".
