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Whoever came up with the system “if you don’t allocate all of your yearly budget, your budget will be smaller next year” is responsible for so much human misery and wasted money

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  • sidereal@kolektiva.socialS sidereal@kolektiva.social

    Whoever came up with the system “if you don’t allocate all of your yearly budget, your budget will be smaller next year” is responsible for so much human misery and wasted money

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    #28

    @sidereal That's why "efficiency schemes" exist in the regulation of monopolies. If a utility underspends it gets to keep a fraction of it, but remainder is returned to customers through reduced costs. One example used for energy in Australia:
    https://www.aer.gov.au/industry/registers/resources/schemes/capital-expenditure-sharing-scheme-cess

    Public service use it or lose it approach is a wasteful ratchet, and "productivity dividends" are blunt instruments for clawback.

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    • be@zeroes.caB be@zeroes.ca

      @sidereal @shansterable

      At a university I once worked at the chemistry department had a store where professors could go buy platinum on the last day of their funding cycle, hold it in their lab, and then return it for a refund into their account at the beginning of their next cycle.

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      #29

      @BE @sidereal @shansterable that's an amazing way to launder fiscal year funds into zero year funds 🤣🤣

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      • sidereal@kolektiva.socialS sidereal@kolektiva.social

        Whoever came up with the system “if you don’t allocate all of your yearly budget, your budget will be smaller next year” is responsible for so much human misery and wasted money

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        #30

        @sidereal When I worked at for a city owned theatre this logic existed when working with the city for our yearly budget. One year the executive producer took it further. Not just max out the budget but exceed the budget so that in the following year, it would be clear to the budgeters we would need more money.

        We produced some incredible work that season but IIRC we were like ~1 million dollars over budget. The EP resigned rather than go through an investigation and our budget was cut the following season.

        The interim between leaders was really excellent though because it was basically the people who ran the theatre making all the decisions. Closest few months I've ever been to a worker ran environment.

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        • sidereal@kolektiva.socialS sidereal@kolektiva.social

          @jonatin IDK if the solution here is kickbacks! But maybe I’m wrong

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          #31

          @sidereal yeah, I get that, I’m mostly just imagining what a totally different incentive would have wrought. Less waste, I’d hope, but within consumerism we’d probably just shift the cycle to even more churn through household and personal items.

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          • sidereal@kolektiva.socialS sidereal@kolektiva.social

            Whoever came up with the system “if you don’t allocate all of your yearly budget, your budget will be smaller next year” is responsible for so much human misery and wasted money

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            #32

            @sidereal In my council money could be carried forward if there was a good reason (typically projects that didn't meet their worst case (budget-wise!) timescales).

            Anyone caught wasting money towards the end of the year just because it was left in their budget would have been dealt with.

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            • timwardcam@c.imT timwardcam@c.im

              @sidereal In my council money could be carried forward if there was a good reason (typically projects that didn't meet their worst case (budget-wise!) timescales).

              Anyone caught wasting money towards the end of the year just because it was left in their budget would have been dealt with.

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              #33

              @sidereal Oh, there was one example though.

              We put in a £250,000 budget line for "planning appeal legal costs" because we suspected a particularly developer was going to play silly buggers over a particular project, and we wanted to indicate that we were ready and willing to fight.

              Having spotted this, the developer chose not to play silly buggers, so this budget line was removed the next year, having not been spent and no longer being needed.

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              • sidereal@kolektiva.socialS sidereal@kolektiva.social

                Whoever came up with the system “if you don’t allocate all of your yearly budget, your budget will be smaller next year” is responsible for so much human misery and wasted money

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                #34

                @sidereal I have never seen any sense in that

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                • sidereal@kolektiva.socialS sidereal@kolektiva.social

                  Whoever came up with the system “if you don’t allocate all of your yearly budget, your budget will be smaller next year” is responsible for so much human misery and wasted money

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                  #35

                  @sidereal

                  When I joined the uni, I was told that my goal was to slightly overspend the budget, & never, ever, underspend.

                  As others have said, responsible budgeting was punished by reducing funding. Irresponsible budgeters received increases. Obviously, they hadn't been given enough...

                  Of course, as a former public servant, I was very familiar with the practice.

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                  • sidereal@kolektiva.socialS sidereal@kolektiva.social

                    Whoever came up with the system “if you don’t allocate all of your yearly budget, your budget will be smaller next year” is responsible for so much human misery and wasted money

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                    #36

                    @sidereal My favourite rule was "We're increasing our fees by 3% next year."

                    Me: "Why? We have a surplus."

                    President: "Because we have to make increases in line with inflation."

                    Me: "Even though we don't need them?"

                    Pres: "Yes, so that we can go a year without increasing them."

                    Me: "We can not increase them this year."

                    Pres: "That's not what I'm talking about."

                    That was in the mid 2010's.

                    Then COVID happened. And they didn't increase fees for almost three years, and it was a relatively minor hit, and they survived the pandemic, as did most of their clients.

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                      #37

                      @nomdeb congress is the opposite of progress am i right guys

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                      • thefathippy@mastodon.worldT thefathippy@mastodon.world

                        @sidereal

                        When I joined the uni, I was told that my goal was to slightly overspend the budget, & never, ever, underspend.

                        As others have said, responsible budgeting was punished by reducing funding. Irresponsible budgeters received increases. Obviously, they hadn't been given enough...

                        Of course, as a former public servant, I was very familiar with the practice.

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                        #38

                        @thefathippy @sidereal

                        This is so true and factual. Took a while as a staff status to be informed between OCO (outgoing capital outlay) and NOCO (non capital outlay) funding accounts and why they matter to spending in departments across the uni.

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                        • johnzajac@dice.campJ johnzajac@dice.camp

                          @sidereal

                          Efficiency fetishism has a lot to answer for.

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                          #39

                          @johnzajac @sidereal There is such a thing as too much efficiency. There is such a thing as "enough". Endless economic growth is a fiction. Imagine if we all strived for endless personal growth instead.

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                          • mason@partychickens.netM mason@partychickens.net

                            @johnzajac @sidereal There is such a thing as too much efficiency. There is such a thing as "enough". Endless economic growth is a fiction. Imagine if we all strived for endless personal growth instead.

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                            #40

                            @mason @sidereal

                            Efficiency as a result of excellent planning based on deep knowledge and decades of skill is great. Efficiency as a goal is pathological.

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                            • sidereal@kolektiva.socialS sidereal@kolektiva.social

                              Whoever came up with the system “if you don’t allocate all of your yearly budget, your budget will be smaller next year” is responsible for so much human misery and wasted money

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                              #41

                              @sidereal

                              I once pressed the "return" key on September 30th and thereby spent many millions of dollars.

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                              • justinderrick@mstdn.caJ justinderrick@mstdn.ca

                                @sidereal My favourite rule was "We're increasing our fees by 3% next year."

                                Me: "Why? We have a surplus."

                                President: "Because we have to make increases in line with inflation."

                                Me: "Even though we don't need them?"

                                Pres: "Yes, so that we can go a year without increasing them."

                                Me: "We can not increase them this year."

                                Pres: "That's not what I'm talking about."

                                That was in the mid 2010's.

                                Then COVID happened. And they didn't increase fees for almost three years, and it was a relatively minor hit, and they survived the pandemic, as did most of their clients.

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                                #42

                                @JustinDerrick @sidereal and then they put up their fees by 30% because reasons?

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                                • salty@mastodon.nzS salty@mastodon.nz

                                  @JustinDerrick @sidereal and then they put up their fees by 30% because reasons?

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                                  #43

                                  @Salty @sidereal Not sure, I was only there a short time. But they were accumulating surpluses into a contingency fund, which they drew on during the pandemic.

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