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  3. Well... good article as usual, but... there *is* something exceptional about AI, just looking at *what it does*, as @pluralistic says.

Well... good article as usual, but... there *is* something exceptional about AI, just looking at *what it does*, as @pluralistic says.

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    RE: https://mamot.fr/@pluralistic/116219642373307943

    Well... good article as usual, but... there *is* something exceptional about AI, just looking at *what it does*, as @pluralistic says.

    Until AI, all automation was embodied decisions, but AI is *automated decisionmaking*.

    That's both new & extremely fraught, because we don't know how humans make decisions & thus have no way of gauging accuracy or transparency of the simulation - even ascribing value to it is difficult.

    We do ourselves no favors if we pretend this isn't a problem.

    #AI

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      RE: https://mamot.fr/@pluralistic/116219642373307943

      Well... good article as usual, but... there *is* something exceptional about AI, just looking at *what it does*, as @pluralistic says.

      Until AI, all automation was embodied decisions, but AI is *automated decisionmaking*.

      That's both new & extremely fraught, because we don't know how humans make decisions & thus have no way of gauging accuracy or transparency of the simulation - even ascribing value to it is difficult.

      We do ourselves no favors if we pretend this isn't a problem.

      #AI

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      @jwcph That's just not true. We've been building catastrophic automated decision-making systems for decades. This is the origin of the "Computer says no" meme. O'Neill's *Weapons of Math Destruction* - published more than a decade ago, long before transformer models - described the incredible harms of automated decision-making systems. The UK Horizon scandal started in the *previous century*. Australian RoboDebt dates to 2016.

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        @jwcph That's just not true. We've been building catastrophic automated decision-making systems for decades. This is the origin of the "Computer says no" meme. O'Neill's *Weapons of Math Destruction* - published more than a decade ago, long before transformer models - described the incredible harms of automated decision-making systems. The UK Horizon scandal started in the *previous century*. Australian RoboDebt dates to 2016.

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        @pluralistic Indeed - I am referring to things like that, included under the term "automation" in this context; "intelligent systems" or whatever we call it.

        Current AI status is just that + bubble.

        The contrast is to e.g. industrial production automation; an embodied set of decisions expressed in a machine that does [thing] automatically. You're not wrong to hark back into history, but I hope we can agree that in this context, 2016, or even 2006, is still "new".

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