just in case you didn’t know that “it’s only for code reviews, I don’t see the problem” is always bad faith horseshit: https://www.phoronix.com/news/Linus-Torvalds-Claude-Code

[zzt@mas.to]

just in case you didn’t know that “it’s only for code reviews, I don’t see the problem” is always bad faith horseshit: https://www.phoronix.com/news/Linus-Torvalds-Claude-Code

> Linux creator Linus Torvalds has been known to use AI to help with kernel debugging and outside of the kernel tree has also done some vibe coding with Google's Antigravity. He has previously said he views AI as a useful tool. It turns out he's even now using Claude Code for working on new Linux kernel features.

> "The code, the test programs, the review behind the list above and the first draft of this text were done with an LLM coding assistant (Claude Code) under my direction. The measurements were run on my machine."

so just a full vibe, done with the LLM that can’t make a web browser, C compiler, rsync features that aren’t riddled with bugs, or JavaScript runtime

this is the shit we were warning you about

was there a reason why you didn’t listen?

[tehstu@hachyderm.io]

@zzt "Under my direction". Sure.

[neil@jump.scare.me.uk]

@zzt just one more prompt bro

[zzt@mas.to]

I cannot emphasize enough how horrid Claude Code (and every other LLM) is at systems code

it’s horrid at everything, but when torvalds pretends it’s any good for kernel work he’s trying to talk over a clear pattern of failures

I cannot name a single vibed piece of systems code that actually works with anything approaching basic reliability

torvalds’ proof that any of this shit does anything at all is that:
- it shit out a generic python UI for one of his side projects
- the corporations funding him via the Linux Foundation and keeping him fat in tokens say it works great

that’s it. that’s where all his confidence comes from. that and him being a mediocre little fucker.

[bredroll@mas.to]

@zzt sadly this is "cognitive surrender" at its most visible.

[zzt@mas.to]

surely this time. surely the horrid thing that can’t produce stable software for the xteink x4, to the point where people are abandoning their devices out of frustration, will be fantastic at making features for a much larger, much much more complicated kernel that has to work across a gigantic variety of hardware

surely this time

[bob@epicyon.libreserver.org]

@zzt If Linus gets AI psychosis then that could work out badly. Maybe his skills atrophy and he gets replaced by someone from Microsoft or Google, and then Linux becomes increasingly closed. It could be the beginning of the end of the Linux kernel and the time for something else to rise.

[bredroll@mas.to]

@zzt the biggest problem is that LLMs will create unmaintainable code and maintainers that cant really maintain the code, the projects will see a sharp decline and stagnation

[zzt@mas.to]

@bob “if”?

[cjgibilisco@mastodon.gamedev.place]

@zzt One more reason software projects shouldn’t be run on the “benevolent” dictator for life model.

[bob@epicyon.libreserver.org]

@zzt Maybe he already believes in the AI messiah. I don't keep up with LKML.

[datarama@hachyderm.io]

@zzt It depends, I suppose, on what "under my direction" means. Given who we're talking about, that might very well mean reading the code and responding with angry, expletive-laden rants when he isn't satisfied.

[davidgerard@circumstances.run]

@datarama @zzt now we know who caused Anthropic to add that to the TOS

[aburka@hachyderm.io]

@datarama @zzt maybe Anthropic was specifically reading his sessions when they came out and said we need to stop insulting the clankers

[dysfun@social.treehouse.systems]

@zzt this time you WILL be forced to eat my shit because you're too much of a pussy to try NetBSD.

[bredroll@mas.to]

@davidgerard @datarama @zzt i suspect they added that "no insults" thing because they are using prompts as training data and that its bleeding through into models,

[datarama@hachyderm.io]

@Bredroll @davidgerard@circumstances.run @zzt I think it's because they're mentally unwell and think Claude has feelings.

[castanea_jo@ni.hil.ist]

@zzt I find it deeply ironic there is an anti-crawler / do busy work landing page sitting in front of kernel dot org where this sludge patch is sitting

[tipoqueno@mastodon.social]

@cjgibilisco @zzt my thoughts this past week: maybe the BDFL wasn't a clever idea after all

[datarama@hachyderm.io]

@zzt This, in fact, is the reason why I think that if there's anyone in the entire world who has a chance of actually pulling something like this off, it's probably Linus.

Not because he's a great superprogrammer or anything, but simply due to experience: Reading code and complaining about it if it's not to his liking *has basically been his entire job for 25+ years*. He's also used to dealing with sycophants - though not, as far as I'm aware, with the kind of "malicious correctness" that LLMs tend to do.

(Of course, this also means that if he can't pull it off, then it's probably safe to say that nobody can.)