I have been watching this story simmer for several days.
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RE: https://infosec.exchange/@hacks4pancakes/116192434654015384
I have been watching this story simmer for several days. I've been wary of it. It fits too neatly into the criticisms and warnings many of us have been raising. But it's starting to look like, yes, they are using an LLM to make critical decisions.
At the same time I have heard parts of speeches from the US Secretary of War.* I have been dismayed by his shallow thinking. It doesn't help that his speeches also sound like they are also composed by an LLM.
*formerly Defense
@futurebird By using the word 'targeting' you make it sound as if the harm to that school was deliberate. Any proof of that? Or is this just more uncritical Israel-bashing?
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@gotofritz @futurebird that was a pile of nothingness without an argument in it other than “you’re a poo poo head who I disagree with.”
Talk about the content of my statements, not what you make up about what’s in my head.
I use LLMs extensively and have a background in machine learning and computer science; I know exactly what these tools are. That is the source of my evaluation. What’s yours?
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The impulse to use an LLM, and other shortcuts to make such decisions is indicative of a lack of serious interest in the details of the situation.
A level of study and interest that ought to be present for decisions that kill so many people.
I think that's why it matters.
@futurebird @gotofritz also if a decision to make a strike, and a decision about coordinates of that strike, is made solely on the basis of the information provided by intern or by some python script cobbled together without very stringent quality control, then heads of everybody involved in making a decision to rely on such intern or python script for such purposes should roll. I don't see why it should be different with LLM.
(I'm not saying that wars are good or that conducting strikes on the basis of more reliable information is good. But this specifically is such an obvious violation of all possible norms of conducting wars, it's only possible if those conducting the war don't give even a slightest shit about civilians.)
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Right wing war hawk commentators are saying that hitting a civilian target, a school filled with little girls is "good strategy, actually" we, the soft-handed peace-nicks are simply not smart enough to understand the strategic power of this action.
But, if the Department of war won't say it remains unclear if this atrocity is based on incompetence or dim-witted malice.
update: We can infer that they "missed"
https://shakedown.social/@AAronL1968/116193541496761440@futurebird "Better to boast of atrocities than to apologize for errors" is so familiar a pattern of authoritarian thinking I honestly can't tell yet whether this was an intentional hit based on bad intelligence, an intentional hit driven by indifference to the quality of inputs, or a cruel accident of war that placed a bomb where it wasn't intended to be. The idiotic noises coming allegedly from the SecDef add no clarity.
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My disgust for war, for the military, is not the result of being sheltered.
I hate your wars because I know exactly what they are and how when violence occurs it reverberates for generations.
Someone has lost a daughter and with her many of their reasons for living. What grim task will they devote themselves to?
What would you do, Pete, if they killed your family? Do you think you are the only person who loves their children?
I think you must.
@futurebird I'd be very surprised if he felt love for his children. Ownership, yes. Love, no.
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@gotofritz @futurebird I don’t believe these are arbitrary biased statements, they are characteristics uniquely of an anthropomorphized chat interface to a language model. It is not the same.
Thank you for arguing seriously, though I still respectfully disagree, I believe your own bias toward whitewashing all technology as the same in the spectrum of harm hides critical specificity which provides a much less truthful account of its impact.
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RE: https://infosec.exchange/@hacks4pancakes/116192434654015384
I have been watching this story simmer for several days. I've been wary of it. It fits too neatly into the criticisms and warnings many of us have been raising. But it's starting to look like, yes, they are using an LLM to make critical decisions.
At the same time I have heard parts of speeches from the US Secretary of War.* I have been dismayed by his shallow thinking. It doesn't help that his speeches also sound like they are also composed by an LLM.
*formerly Defense
@futurebird The intelligence is artificial. All of it.
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RE: https://infosec.exchange/@hacks4pancakes/116192434654015384
I have been watching this story simmer for several days. I've been wary of it. It fits too neatly into the criticisms and warnings many of us have been raising. But it's starting to look like, yes, they are using an LLM to make critical decisions.
At the same time I have heard parts of speeches from the US Secretary of War.* I have been dismayed by his shallow thinking. It doesn't help that his speeches also sound like they are also composed by an LLM.
*formerly Defense
@futurebird RE bombing of Iranian girls school: NPR has it right- a mistake using old data in the Bombing Encyclopedia used by military. Easy process to add targets to BE but I doubt that there is any process to a) review the target for change in status (part of naval base -> walled off school and b) removing the "targets" from the BE.
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RE: https://infosec.exchange/@hacks4pancakes/116192434654015384
I have been watching this story simmer for several days. I've been wary of it. It fits too neatly into the criticisms and warnings many of us have been raising. But it's starting to look like, yes, they are using an LLM to make critical decisions.
At the same time I have heard parts of speeches from the US Secretary of War.* I have been dismayed by his shallow thinking. It doesn't help that his speeches also sound like they are also composed by an LLM.
*formerly Defense
@futurebird Shallow mindstates now seem to dominate. Not just in politics but in public. Being spoilt online, with escape from responsibilities to others on matters of deed or word can cultivate that shallowness - me, now, fast. And I do not care how you got it - just give. Or is this an overplay?
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My disgust for war, for the military, is not the result of being sheltered.
I hate your wars because I know exactly what they are and how when violence occurs it reverberates for generations.
Someone has lost a daughter and with her many of their reasons for living. What grim task will they devote themselves to?
What would you do, Pete, if they killed your family? Do you think you are the only person who loves their children?
I think you must.
@futurebird At some point a War Crimes tribunal will need to rule that the person pressing return on an AI killing decisions is the person responsible for a War Crime. We need an AI weapons treaty now
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Maybe if more people had to look at the city maps, if they had to read the local papers, and study the site there would have been more objections. Maybe you see a "street view" photo of the cross guard escorting the girls to class. Maybe you notice a paper sign in the window of a shop saying a new toy is in stock.
The target isn't just coordinates, it's a place where people live. People who don't care about international politics any more than the kids playing on your own block.
@futurebird Iran helped us along on this one, with the blackout.
As much as I, a thinking person, have zero reason to believe that Israel is conducting themselves differently than they have in Gaza and the West Bank, Iran seems to have kinda been twirling their dervishy moustachios for the Western punters.
If I was a general in Iran, with the ear of the mullahs, I would be pointing out that Tehran is in a state of catastrophic drought in the first place, which makes it less and less useful as a city, but if they are invaded, it will enable a cooperative evacuation of the city with minimal resistance from the populace, solving the internal humanitarian crisis that has been looming, while also providing an incredible defensive battlefield for an invading force,
because they would not be so much defending their country's prized jewel, as just slaughtering Americans. No wonder that Iran guy on CNN sounded so cool about it all. They are definitely ready and waiting, anyways...
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My disgust for war, for the military, is not the result of being sheltered.
I hate your wars because I know exactly what they are and how when violence occurs it reverberates for generations.
Someone has lost a daughter and with her many of their reasons for living. What grim task will they devote themselves to?
What would you do, Pete, if they killed your family? Do you think you are the only person who loves their children?
I think you must.
War is as "natural" a state for mankind as two nests of Formica rufa fighting for territory.
Peace is highly unnatural among our species. Peace is achieved through the hard-won efforts of diplomats.
But wars have better music
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RE: https://infosec.exchange/@hacks4pancakes/116192434654015384
I have been watching this story simmer for several days. I've been wary of it. It fits too neatly into the criticisms and warnings many of us have been raising. But it's starting to look like, yes, they are using an LLM to make critical decisions.
At the same time I have heard parts of speeches from the US Secretary of War.* I have been dismayed by his shallow thinking. It doesn't help that his speeches also sound like they are also composed by an LLM.
*formerly Defense
@futurebird They have lazily been depending on LLM's for everything, for the past year. They're even using them to write EO's and do official government work that gets posted publicly without any human validation.
As for the Dept. of War, the honesty of that nomenclature is actually pretty refreshing if you ask me. It was only ever called the Dept. of Defense to hide behind a euphemism.
