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  • kibcol1049@mstdn.socialK kibcol1049@mstdn.social

    The teacher said "In English a double negative forms a positive. In some languages, though, such as Russian, a double negative is still a negative. However, there is no language wherein a double positive can form a negative."
    A voice from the back of the room piped up, "Yeah, right."

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    @kibcol1049
    First day of English class, prof says that there two words that he never wants to see or hear. One of them is “nice” and the other is lousy. Someone in the back asks, “what are the two words?”

    kibcol1049@mstdn.socialK darth_hideout@mas.toD npettiaux@mamot.frN oldfartrant@mstdn.caO 4 Replies Last reply
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    • stevewfolds@mastodon.worldS stevewfolds@mastodon.world

      @kibcol1049
      First day of English class, prof says that there two words that he never wants to see or hear. One of them is “nice” and the other is lousy. Someone in the back asks, “what are the two words?”

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      #3

      @stevewfolds 😂

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      • kibcol1049@mstdn.socialK kibcol1049@mstdn.social

        The teacher said "In English a double negative forms a positive. In some languages, though, such as Russian, a double negative is still a negative. However, there is no language wherein a double positive can form a negative."
        A voice from the back of the room piped up, "Yeah, right."

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        @kibcol1049 Double plus good from 1984

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        • kibcol1049@mstdn.socialK kibcol1049@mstdn.social

          The teacher said "In English a double negative forms a positive. In some languages, though, such as Russian, a double negative is still a negative. However, there is no language wherein a double positive can form a negative."
          A voice from the back of the room piped up, "Yeah, right."

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          #5

          @kibcol1049 Also, of course, the usage in Ireland “I will, yeah”

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          • kibcol1049@mstdn.socialK kibcol1049@mstdn.social

            The teacher said "In English a double negative forms a positive. In some languages, though, such as Russian, a double negative is still a negative. However, there is no language wherein a double positive can form a negative."
            A voice from the back of the room piped up, "Yeah, right."

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            #6

            @kibcol1049

            English is my second language and phrases like

            "we don't want no education"

            always bother me.

            E kibcol1049@mstdn.socialK timwardcam@c.imT lily_and_frog@mastodon.artL cppguy@infosec.spaceC 7 Replies Last reply
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            • kibcol1049@mstdn.socialK kibcol1049@mstdn.social

              The teacher said "In English a double negative forms a positive. In some languages, though, such as Russian, a double negative is still a negative. However, there is no language wherein a double positive can form a negative."
              A voice from the back of the room piped up, "Yeah, right."

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              #7

              @kibcol1049

              The claim I have seen is that version of "right" derives from "hwaet", which was how a spoken story was opened, loosly meaning "pay attention" or, loosely, "wake up at the back." It's how "Beowulf" opens.

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              • rzeta0@mastodon.ieR rzeta0@mastodon.ie

                @kibcol1049

                English is my second language and phrases like

                "we don't want no education"

                always bother me.

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                #8

                @rzeta0 @kibcol1049 apparently the double negative thing is a convention rather than a hard rule. Double negative can make a sentence more klunky (sound awkward) and it is usually better to try and remove it busy most people simply would not care.

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                • kibcol1049@mstdn.socialK kibcol1049@mstdn.social

                  The teacher said "In English a double negative forms a positive. In some languages, though, such as Russian, a double negative is still a negative. However, there is no language wherein a double positive can form a negative."
                  A voice from the back of the room piped up, "Yeah, right."

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                  #9

                  @kibcol1049 here with my relevant username.

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                  • kibcol1049@mstdn.socialK kibcol1049@mstdn.social

                    The teacher said "In English a double negative forms a positive. In some languages, though, such as Russian, a double negative is still a negative. However, there is no language wherein a double positive can form a negative."
                    A voice from the back of the room piped up, "Yeah, right."

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                    #10

                    @kibcol1049 California has also triple positive meaning "No". But there "Yes" often means "No" like in "If you want..." (I'd do it for you) Or "Maybe". ("Not really")
                    "Oh yeah for sure, yes" and more are very typical there. And Bavarian has quadruple negatives that stay negative. "Naa, koane Masern hob I no nia net gehabt!" for example. stays negative, the speaker never has caught the measles. @chillicampari can confirm

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                    • stevewfolds@mastodon.worldS stevewfolds@mastodon.world

                      @kibcol1049
                      First day of English class, prof says that there two words that he never wants to see or hear. One of them is “nice” and the other is lousy. Someone in the back asks, “what are the two words?”

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                      #11

                      @stevewfolds @kibcol1049

                      Tell us the lousy one first!

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                      • kibcol1049@mstdn.socialK kibcol1049@mstdn.social

                        The teacher said "In English a double negative forms a positive. In some languages, though, such as Russian, a double negative is still a negative. However, there is no language wherein a double positive can form a negative."
                        A voice from the back of the room piped up, "Yeah, right."

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                        #12

                        @kibcol1049

                        This phrase is part of the language in Aotearoa New Zealand.

                        https://www.theshout.co.nz/db-brings-back-notorious-tui-yeah-right-billboard/

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                        • rzeta0@mastodon.ieR rzeta0@mastodon.ie

                          @kibcol1049

                          English is my second language and phrases like

                          "we don't want no education"

                          always bother me.

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                          @rzeta0 You and Pink Floyd too! 🤣

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                          • iwillyeah@mastodon.ieI iwillyeah@mastodon.ie

                            @kibcol1049 here with my relevant username.

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                            #14

                            @Iwillyeah 😂👍

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                            • kibcol1049@mstdn.socialK kibcol1049@mstdn.social

                              @rzeta0 You and Pink Floyd too! 🤣

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                              @kibcol1049

                              innit

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                              • rzeta0@mastodon.ieR rzeta0@mastodon.ie

                                @kibcol1049

                                English is my second language and phrases like

                                "we don't want no education"

                                always bother me.

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                                #16

                                @rzeta0 @kibcol1049 Recursive joke, innit.

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                                • timwardcam@c.imT timwardcam@c.im

                                  @rzeta0 @kibcol1049 Recursive joke, innit.

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                                  #17

                                  @rzeta0 @kibcol1049 (Like "a little knowledge is a dangerous thing." (Pope actually said "a little *learning* is a dangerous thing."))

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                                  • timwardcam@c.imT timwardcam@c.im

                                    @rzeta0 @kibcol1049 (Like "a little knowledge is a dangerous thing." (Pope actually said "a little *learning* is a dangerous thing."))

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                                    @rzeta0 @kibcol1049 (But that one is usually inadvertent. Pink Floyd did it on purpose.)

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                                    • wolf_baginski@meow.socialW wolf_baginski@meow.social

                                      @kibcol1049

                                      The claim I have seen is that version of "right" derives from "hwaet", which was how a spoken story was opened, loosly meaning "pay attention" or, loosely, "wake up at the back." It's how "Beowulf" opens.

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                                      @Wolf_Baginski @kibcol1049 But Spanish has a similar expression: "Sí, claro", with the same negative meaning.
                                      What happens is here irony acts, and that's why the meaning changes; it's not a syntax thing, like the double negative stuff.

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                                      • E ef@mastodon.bsd.cafe

                                        @rzeta0 @kibcol1049 apparently the double negative thing is a convention rather than a hard rule. Double negative can make a sentence more klunky (sound awkward) and it is usually better to try and remove it busy most people simply would not care.

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                                        #20

                                        @EF @rzeta0 @kibcol1049
                                        A common issue in language learning/linguistics is how any given language uses double negatives and negative questions.

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                                        • E ef@mastodon.bsd.cafe

                                          @rzeta0 @kibcol1049 apparently the double negative thing is a convention rather than a hard rule. Double negative can make a sentence more klunky (sound awkward) and it is usually better to try and remove it busy most people simply would not care.

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                                          @EF @rzeta0 @kibcol1049 "I ain't not never doin' that no sir." Rolls right off the tongue.

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