this is how you all fucking sound

[beggarmidas@mastodon.social]

@joachim So what are you proposing there, John Brown? Gonna go all bleeding kansas affair over server farms? I mean, when you're done making a false equivalent between human suffering and a fucking datacenter? Jay-sus H fecking christ. Go touch grass. You've been cooped up too long somewhere & your losing touch.

[tylilbro@mastodon.social]

@joachim okay but AI is completely different from smoking child labor and slavery and I'm shocked you thought this was a good point

[bit@ohai.social]

@joachim Like someone asking you to breathe deeper after someone just farted in an elevator.

[nsalwen@mstdn.social]

@joachim More like, "guns are already here, there's no going back."

[keydelk@fosstodon.org]

@Beggarmidas @joachim what to do is stop investing into AI companies, and stop buying shit produced by AI. Stop hyping the shitty text prediction machine that just sort of “works well enough” for a glitzy demo, then fails spectacularly when put into production use. And stop trying to shoehorn it into everything.

[canleaf@mastodon.social]

@joachim The same sadly with climate change. The same with RTO. The same with high rents. The same with loss of human rights. The same with surveillance since 9/11.

[beggarmidas@mastodon.social]

@keydelk @joachim There's more to it than that. Has it occurred to you yet that the pushback has become just as irrational as it's hyper promotion? Both sides are depending on emotive appeals that supersede rational analysis. That is not an accidental association. It is in fact the goal. Weaponized LLM's have been deployed to create pockets of mutually adversarial grievances. Primarily but not exclusively China & Russia originated.
https://stratcomcoe.org/publications/beyond-spam-bots-the-rise-of-ai-powered-disinformation-machines-and-the-imperative-for-strategic-response/342

[beggarmidas@mastodon.social]

@keydelk @joachim The thing about techies is they are typically alphalogicals who believe they can't be manipulated. Which of course means they are among the easiest TO manipulate. They don't tend to score high on EQ indexes, fail routinely at accurately identifying emotive states & triggers in themselves. Making them especially vulnerable to false consensus environments.

[beggarmidas@mastodon.social]

@keydelk @joachim
You don't have to agree or disagree. But you need be aware that this sort of thing is rampant. One in nine conversations you've had online, on average, in the last six months has been with a synthetic identity you mistook as human. No blame there. I have too. Just with far less frequency because I know what to be on the lookout for.

[failedlyndonlarouchite@mas.to]

@joachim

This is how you fucking sound:

email is here; no going back

automatic transmissions in cars are here, so . .

TV is here, so . .

[levzadov@kolektiva.social]

@joachim

"We live in capitalism. Its power seems inescapable. So did the divine right of kings. Any human power can be resisted and changed by human beings." -- Ursula K. Le Guin

[disputatore@masto.pt]

@joachim the internet is already here, there's no turning back

[jhooper@techhub.social]

@Beggarmidas @keydelk @joachim Now you just sound like an amalgamation of a centrist and a Republican. "Both sides are the same". ""That's what the enemy wants you to believe".

I'm assuming it never occurred to you that people have actively used these systems and are pointing out extremely obvious issues that are getting worse after every update? The costs are enormous, the companies running it have no solutions except to build bigger data centers and consume even more water and electricity with no solid goals on what progress even looks like.

And don't tell me "oh, the Russians or the Chinese will beat us at this!" They can't even get indoor plumbing to their rural populace, they don't give a solitary shit as to what sacrifices their population will have to pay. And for what? A barely working system that is guaranteed to make mistakes that will be more difficult to correct than if they were never used at all?

[disputatore@masto.pt]

@bluestarultor @joachim facts

[dany@mastodonsweden.se]

@joachim "Vi jobbar inte så här".

[n_dimension@infosec.exchange]

@joachim

Oh yeah, let's fucking (your word) insult folks who don't huff your ideology
That's going to end well.

[chu@climatejustice.social]

@nahuellofeudo @joachim

Lol. The nft made me actually laugh out loud. Thanks.

[ggmcbg@mstdn.plus]

@joachim

My favorite part is them believing electricity is guaranteed in the smoky world of sweltering swamp-ass that they are incubating.

No power, no ai.

[beggarmidas@mastodon.social]

@jhooper @keydelk @joachim Lets start with I am not a winger in any sense. I regard them as binary failures to ramrod 19th century social policies into not-solving 21st century problems. I made that very clear in my bioblurb. You aren't identical in outlook or culture or character. But you do share many qualities you might find uncomfortably in common. You share problems with bandwagons mythologies. A tendency for ideological zealotry. A bad habit of trying to recast moderates as enemies.

[vantablack2000@mastodon.gamedev.place]

@joachim At least to me I think Child Labor is the best example.

Because "AI" is here doesn't distinguish the difference between what was "AI" 10 years ago to now. People don't have nearly as many problems with auto-correct or GPS even though those are "AI" GenAI is where the problem stems.

So like with Child Labor it would like if someone had a problem with Child Labor and the response was "Labor is here to stay" okay, but the problem is with ONE SUBSET of Labor not Labor in general IMO.